$499 for the hardware alone is understandable for the X1X. But given the macro-chasm of things (competition from Switch and 4, late in this generation, last in this generation, strong 1st/2nd party line up for the Switch/4, etc.) the $499 will appeal only to a limited audience.

The price is right, people wanting to spend less can buy a XBOne S.

I was talking about all things excluding games. Game devs make games for whatever platform, regardless if it is littered with DRM, has trophies/achievements, million gigs of ram or 2 gigs, 4k or 720, 30fps or 60fps, ect.

It's up to Sony/Nintendo/MS to give developers a platform to make games on. When the PS4 was announced and the xbox one was announced, the PS4 was 1000000% for the gamers and consumers and the Xbox one was totally not. IF I were to judge hardware right now, I woudl say Xbox One is better for the future of gamers and consumer than teh PS4. They seem to be more consumer friendly. NOthing about games. Xbox feels more free and open and willing to do things. PS4 seems to again be in the "We're the leaders and can do whatever we want" stage.

The reason PS4 shot out the gate huge back when it launched was not because it had a remasterd Last of Us, or whatever pathetic lineup all system launches all have, it was becuase they owned MS in the consumer friendly sounding device. MS came out with all these "can't share games, can't do this, can't do that, ect. Basically a huge DRM ridled box" As your excel sheet shows, they had more of those "new IP games" back then. But that doesn't matter when your buying into some closed off scary ecosystem. The refusal to purchase a One was more out of protest for their horrible corporate decisions over the games. I'm now seeing the PS4 go back into that attitude they had when the PS3 launched.

I made this exact point in another thread. Sony is in a good spot right now, they could wiat until 2019 and throw in a Threadripper CPU, new AMD Vega RX GPU and pretty much own next gen as well. Hell even if they launched next year with a Ryzen CPU it would be a better console than the Xbox1x. At any rate, Sony gave the Playstation some legs with the Pro version and is set to easily go into 2019 with the PS4 IMO. I would put my money on a 2019 Release for a new Playstation at a $399 price point.

It could be like the XBO reveal itself, where they made sure to put their own employees upfront and the media back a few rows.

I wouldn't say impossible. Sony was smart to keep the manufacturing price cheap on the Pro.  It is just a mid-gen refresh, anyway.  They went with the same CPU, only overclocked and maybe with a few small improvements.  The GPU is the same, again maybe with a few small improvements, only they doubled up on it.  Same RAM, just with a higher bandwith.  All of this will allow them to cut the price when needed to.  Hell, if they wanted to they probably could cut the price to $299 this Sept, and break even.  Of course, that would only be done if they just want to seal the Scorpio's fate.  Personally, I think they will see no need to, and just drop to $349 and still make profit on it.  A $150 price difference is significant enough.

And I think $399 was possible for the Scorpio, but MS doesn't care about its success.  At $399, they would probably be breaking even, or taking a very small loss.  But, this is what I believe they are thinking.  If it succeeds, then good, maybe we'll make a XB2 in 2019-2020.  If it fails, which is the much more likely outcome, they we'll still be making profit on each one sold, while we shift even more to Windows gaming.

I think they are going to use a semi-custom Zen 1700, with some slight advancements made since its launch.  Possibly a Zen+ if it's out in time and cheap enough.  Even if it's the former, that is a pretty damn big leap over the PS4 and XBO's Jaguar, even with Scorpio's overclocking of it.  I'm guessing Vega 10, which is 12.5 Tflops, for the GPU.  Though, they may go with a Vega 20, which is 15 Tflops, if, again, it is out in time and cheap enough.  For RAM, I'm guessing 16GB of GDDR6 or HBM2/3.  Either way, it's going to be more than twice the power of the Scorpio and, most likely, be out just 2 years after it launches.  That, plus the fact that Scorpio, or even XBO, has no real exclusives, makes its purchase just seem so pointless to me.

Next gen, 4K30/60FPS will definitely be the standard.  Though, I coulds still see some devs using CB4K if they want to push the visuals even more. 

I never said I would expect to see those textures on 360/Playstation 3. But for an old game on other platforms it's done well texture resolution wise.

Well those texture on Ps3 and 360 were pretty muddy sometimes even if acceptable.

Frankly, X1 and PS4 have good textures. But X1X is gonna raise the bar on consoles like a premium console should.

Phil Spencer after E3.