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Before this goes too far, I feel the need to point out a number of problematic assertions with the OP (and the links cited there and in the following posts).

Yes, methane is far more effective at trapping heat than carbon dioxide (a whopping 84 times as effective, according to the EDF). But what's ignored in the articles is that methane dissipates MUCH faster than carbon dioxide. Whereas methane takes roughly a decade of exposure to Earth's atmosphere before it disappears, CO2 will take thousands of years before it dissipates (all according to EPA estimates). Much of this is due to the fact that methane breaks down quickly in Earth's (and other planets') atmosphere, whereas essentially the only way on Earth that CO2 can be removed from the atmosphere is by plants. As a result of this, the effect of methane on global warming is only 28% that of CO2. Which is still significant, but by no means the "true" or "main" cause of global warming.

Additionally, methane is not going ignored. The UN released a (now skeptically viewed) report in 2006 claiming that methane from cows was doing greater damage to the environment than CO2, which prompted much of the researched I mentioned above. A good deal of climate study in the late 2000s was devoted to how much methane was affecting global warming; might be worth a look.



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Mnementh said:
Turkish said:

All the major environmentalist groups ignored/continue to ignore the impact of eating meat on the climate. It doesn't matter if you save on water showering etc, because the water consumed by and for cattle to become food is significantly higher than humans combined could make up for it.

They certainly do not. For example: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/agriculture/

The methan-emissions of cows are well known as a problem and make it to the reports of the IPCC. Methane is recalculated into CO2-equivalents (so that the problem can be expressed in one number), but as methane has more effect, 1 ton of methane is calculated into multiple tons of CO2-equivalents.

Also, even if the world would cut out meat-eating, the problem would surely be reduced, but it wouldn't go away. We can destroy our environments in many ways, excessive agriculture is onl yone of them.

Actually, they did that after concerned people called them after watching Cowspiracy.

Just recently, Greenpeace added a page to their website entitled, “More Meat Threatens the Planet”, where they write,

More and more of our supporters are telling us they are really concerned about the impact the world's obsession with meat is having on the environment, climate change in particular.

http://www.cowspiracy.com/blog/2015/10/1/these-environmental-groups-need-a-wake-up-call-sound-the-alarm

Goatseye said:
Mnementh said:

They certainly do not. For example: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/agriculture/

The methan-emissions of cows are well known as a problem and make it to the reports of the IPCC. Methane is recalculated into CO2-equivalents (so that the problem can be expressed in one number), but as methane has more effect, 1 ton of methane is calculated into multiple tons of CO2-equivalents.

Also, even if the world would cut out meat-eating, the problem would surely be reduced, but it wouldn't go away. We can destroy our environments in many ways, excessive agriculture is onl yone of them.

I don't know what "major" environmental groups has he been following. However, livestock impact on the environment is something talked about on most topics regarding climate change.

Yeah after being pressured. In the docu itself no group would even acknowledge the issue or downplay it.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Global warming is a left wing conspiracy invented by Al Gore and the Big Banks have cashed in off of brainwashing people. The whole climate change global warming is based on lies. The scientific proof has been manufactured to present the idea that the world has been warming over the last 100 years and in actual fact it has been cooling. Climate change science is a myth, it is absolute nonsense.

Like someone already said I hope you are being sarcastic.  If you are this is some Onion worthy marterial.



With carcinogenics, heart disease, deforestation, water shortage and global fart warming, I better enjoy as many burgers while I can before meat eaters become as outcast as smokers. I just had 2 nice juicy home bbq'd burgers. I should eat a lot more burgers cause we're still mostly below historical average temperatures!

It all balances out. Warm longer, I'll cycle more instead of taking the car, spends more time outside instead of watching tv / playing video games and no need for heating the house. Just need the airco to run of solar panels and we're all set.



Islam banned the wrong kind of meat.



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SvennoJ said:
The true cause of global warming is the sun. We should work towards a solution to get rid of that offensively burning ball of gas and all problems will be solved. Perhaps we can launch a big space blanket in orbit. That should reduce skin cancer etc too. Then we can burn everything we want, install big lights everywhere and get the whole planet on the same timezone. Build a wall around the earth, that's the solution.

Yeah, well, timezone ARE annoying. I support your suggestion and say: SvennoJ for President!



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fory77 said:
Islam banned the wrong kind of meat.

Hinduism got it right!



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Kill all the cows! Force the price of eye fillet down to $1 a kilo. I'll buy a life supply and be helping the environment.



SvennoJ said:
The true cause of global warming is the sun. We should work towards a solution to get rid of that offensively burning ball of gas and all problems will be solved. Perhaps we can launch a big space blanket in orbit. That should reduce skin cancer etc too. Then we can burn everything we want, install big lights everywhere and get the whole planet on the same timezone. Build a wall around the earth, that's the solution.

I want to assume this is sarcasm but I'm having a hard time because the claim that current global warming is due to the sun is not a new claim.



KLAMarine said:
SvennoJ said:
The true cause of global warming is the sun. We should work towards a solution to get rid of that offensively burning ball of gas and all problems will be solved. Perhaps we can launch a big space blanket in orbit. That should reduce skin cancer etc too. Then we can burn everything we want, install big lights everywhere and get the whole planet on the same timezone. Build a wall around the earth, that's the solution.

I want to assume this is sarcasm but I'm having a hard time because the claim that current global warming is due to the sun is not a new claim.

Yes it is. Solar output variety is on an 11 year cycle while global warming keeps increasing. Ofcourse humans will cling onto anything when the opposite is complicated to understand and any slowdown of global warming during the downward spiral of solar activity is seen as proof it must all be a hoax. Just as looking for one easy thing to blame it all on, eg cattle or China, looking for one little thing to dispute it all is equally popular.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/effect-of-sun-on-climate-faq.html#.WTQQt9y1thE
What we can do is nuke major volcanoes to spew tons of reflective particles in the atmosphere. That should provide plenty of cool fireworks in 4K coverage as well as getting rid of the damn things. It's not called nuclear winter for nothing after all :) /notserious however as an extreme comic book solution it would work!