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VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

Well, in sweden. the definition of rape has been broadened to include regretful sex and sex under the influence of anything mind altering regardless if their partner is under the influence of the same thing.

Feminists in other european countries are pushing for the same thing.

In a certain part of Sweden, a law to make it illegal for males to pee while standing up was pushed.....

Umm, show where they included regretful sex? Because I know that they made it much braoder than other countries, but regretful sex? I don't believe that. And where's the context for making it illegal to pee while standing up? Show me that too.

I can vouch for that actually. 



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Aeolus451 said:
VGPolyglot said:

"The firthering of their agenda" you realize that's how political movements work? By attempting to further an agenda? And feminism's agenda is to rid the world of sexism.

uh huh. It's become something different than that. Otherwise, they would be in the middle east, condemning the way they treat women. It's why alot of people believe in the equality of the sexes but don't consider themselves feminist. It's because they realized they don't mean the same thing anymore. 

Umm, there are women's rights groups in the Middle East, but I doubt that you really care about them:

http://guides.library.cornell.edu/c.php?g=221770&p=2559186

And is that how your logic works? That because there's people that are worse off, that other injustices should just be ignored until the worse ones are dealt with? In that case I guess I should have to find the single most oppressed/mistreated individual in the world, and not care about helping anyone else until he or she is dealt with.



AsGryffynn said:
VGPolyglot said:

Umm, show where they included regretful sex? Because I know that they made it much braoder than other countries, but regretful sex? I don't believe that. And where's the context for making it illegal to pee while standing up? Show me that too.

I can vouch for that actually. 

OK then, vouch for it by showing me.



Aeolus451 said:
Teeqoz said:

What laws in European countries have been passed based on what extreme fringe feminists are pushing for?

Well, in sweden. the definition of rape has been broadened to include regretful sex and sex under the influence of anything mind altering regardless if their partner is under the influence of the same thing.

Feminists in other european countries are pushing for the same thing.

In a certain part of Sweden, a law to make it illegal for males to pee while standing up was pushed.....

What Swedish law says about rape is that

"A person whom, through abuse or violence, or a threat of criminal of a criminal act, forces another person to have intercourse, or perform or undergo another sexual act, which, in view of the seriousness of the violation, is comparable to sexual intercourse, is convicted of rape and imrpisoned for 2 to 6 years.

The same goes for a person who has intercourse or performs a sexual act, which, according to the first paragraph is comparable to sexual intercourse, by unduly exploiting another person due to unconsciousness, being asleep, serious fear, intoxication or other drug influence, illness, bodily injury or mental disorder, or other cases where person due to other circumstances is in a particularly vulnerable situation."

Keep in mind, this is also one of the rather few gender neutral rape laws, so whatever agenda they are futhering, it isn't one of female supremacy.

 

As for the peeing thing. I googled it. Representatives from one local group of one, rather small, party (got 5% of the total votes in the national election) proposed that members of the Swedish parliament (not everyone in Sweden), should sit when they went to the toilet for hygienic reasons (ie. so that the next user of the bathroom stall wouldn't meet a puddle of piss on the floor). To me this does indeed seem like a rather silly thing, but I don't see what this has to do with feminism, and it also isn't a proposal that regarded the entire public.



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VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

Well, in sweden. the definition of rape has been broadened to include regretful sex and sex under the influence of anything mind altering regardless if their partner is under the influence of the same thing.

Feminists in other european countries are pushing for the same thing.

In a certain part of Sweden, a law to make it illegal for males to pee while standing up was pushed.....

Umm, show where they included regretful sex? Because I know that they made it much braoder than other countries, but regretful sex? I don't believe that. And where's the context for making it illegal to pee while standing up? Show me that too.

I don't know where he got the part about regretful sex from.

The law does include having sex with a person that is unconscious, asleep, intoxicated, severly frightened; have an illness, mental illness, disability; is in a particularly dependent situation. What Aeolus left out though, is that you have to abuse or take advantage of these situations for it to be considered rape. Having sex with a drunk person isn't illegal. Having sex with a person too drunk to give consent or understanding what's going on however, could be.

Using this law to point out how evil feminists are pushing their influence down our throats is just plain silly and worthy of many face-palms.

 

It's also true that a region tried to push for a law forcing men to sit while peeing but once again a number of details were left out. The bill was written by Vänsterpartiet, a socialist party, and it was limited to public facilities in the region and only to some toilets. It wasn't a bill for making it illegal for men to stand and pee, it was a bill to force men to sit while using certain toilets. The motivations for the bill was hygienic, to prevent pee on the floor; improving working conditions for cleaners and a study that showed how sitting and peeing emptied the bladder better, which in turn led to lowered risks for prostate cancer and better sex life. The bill didn't pass.

But I guess it's much more fun to just say 'Evil feminists wants to make it illegal for men to stand and pee!!!' and call it a day.

 

 

How any of these are good points to show how feminists are forcing their bad influence down our throats I do not know.



VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

Well, in sweden. the definition of rape has been broadened to include regretful sex and sex under the influence of anything mind altering regardless if their partner is under the influence of the same thing.

Feminists in other european countries are pushing for the same thing.

In a certain part of Sweden, a law to make it illegal for males to pee while standing up was pushed.....

Umm, show where they included regretful sex? Because I know that they made it much braoder than other countries, but regretful sex? I don't believe that. And where's the context for making it illegal to pee while standing up? Show me that too.

If a woman is a regretful of sex, she can easily claim she was raped with the broader definition depending on her state of mind during it. If she was on any medication, drank any alcolhol or if her state of mind was altered, she could claim she was raped. She can say she changed her mind at some point or that you used unlawful coercion, both are considered rape.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

"The sexual act can be intercourse, but also other sexual acts because of coercion or other circumstances are serious offensive can lead to a person convicted of rape. Anyone who exploits someone who is asleep, unconscious, drunk or under the influence of another drug, mentally disturbed, sick or otherwise is in a particularly vulnerable situation, was also convicted of rape."

Prime example of this sort of crap is the rape allegations against Juliun Assange. Granted the charges were later dropped but the damage has been done to his reputation and wallet.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden

"We understand that both complainants admit to having initiated consensual sexual relations with Mr Assange. They do not complain of any physical injury. The first complainant did not make a complaint for six days (in which she hosted the respondent in her flat [actually her bed] and spoke in the warmest terms about him to her friends) until she discovered he had spent the night with the other complainant.

"The second complainant, too, failed to complain for several days until she found out about the first complainant: she claimed that after several acts of consensual sexual intercourse, she fell half asleep and thinks that he ejaculated without using a condom – a possibility about which she says they joked afterwards.

"Both complainants say they did not report him to the police for prosecution but only to require him to have an STD test. However, his Swedish lawyer has been shown evidence of their text messages which indicate that they were concerned to obtain money by going to a tabloid newspaper and were motivated by other matters including a desire for revenge."

Here's the thing, any woman could do the same thing to any man in sweden and he'll likely go to prison because he wouldn't have the money for decent lawyers. 

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Here's a source for the "unlawful to pee while standing". 

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/14/swedish-council-member-wants-men-to-urinate-sitting-down

 

Anyway, I'm done with topic because you guys will have me chasing sources for everything while some of you only bring up anecdotal evidence to support your claims that modern feminism isn't so bad.

I've proved my point well enough for vgchartz.





Christ... this site needs more moderating in politics, so it doesn't come to this level of posting.

Reading some of these posts makes me embarrassed to be apart of this website.



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forest-spirit said:
VGPolyglot said:

Umm, show where they included regretful sex? Because I know that they made it much braoder than other countries, but regretful sex? I don't believe that. And where's the context for making it illegal to pee while standing up? Show me that too.

I don't know where he got the part about regretful sex from.

The law does include having sex with a person that is unconscious, asleep, intoxicated, severly frightened; have an illness, mental illness, disability; is in a particularly dependent situation. What Aeolus left out though, is that you have to abuse or take advantage of these situations for it to be considered rape. Having sex with a drunk person isn't illegal. Having sex with a person too drunk to give consent or understanding what's going on however, could be.

Using this law to point out how evil feminists are pushing their influence down our throats is just plain silly and worthy of many face-palms.

 

It's also true that a region tried to push for a law forcing men to sit while peeing but once again a number of details were left out. The bill was written by Vänsterpartiet, a socialist party, and it was limited to public facilities in the region and only to some toilets. It wasn't a bill for making it illegal for men to stand and pee, it was a bill to force men to sit while using certain toilets. The motivations for the bill was hygienic, to prevent pee on the floor; improving working conditions for cleaners and a study that showed how sitting and peeing emptied the bladder better, which in turn led to lowered risks for prostate cancer and better sex life. The bill didn't pass.

But I guess it's much more fun to just say 'Evil feminists wants to make it illegal for men to stand and pee!!!' and call it a day.

 

 

How any of these are good points to show how feminists are forcing their bad influence down our throats I do not know.

I said nothing about feminists being evil. I said that modern feminists don't care about the equality of women or the sexes but rather their own agendas that have nothing to do with equality. 

To that bolded part, did you read that before you pressed submit? Forcing you by lawy to sit and pee is the same as making it illegal to stand and pee.



Slade6alpha said:
Gone from alpha trump pushing someone to wah wah wah feminists are the reason I hate myself.

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I'm starting to regret making this thread. :/