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You guys should really look at the first 15 weeks of the PS4 while it was limited by stock. The aligned launch graph will shoe the PS4 is still tracking ahead of Switch and might never give up that position. There is going to be a moment where the PS4 stops selling 17 million a year and the Switch start surpassing the PS4. But that moment has yet to arrive.



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Switch doing great in japan.



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PAOerfulone said:

I agree.

One system JUST launched, the other is at the peak of its pwoers. PS4 had gotten almost all of its big games out there, Switch knly hss 2.

Even if the PS4 is flat or slightly up YoY this year, next uear is when we are going to see a noticeable drop. At the same time the Switch will be taking off towards its real potential. Think about all of these following games that are coming later down the line (Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter 5, Pokemon Gen 8, togo along with Splatoon 2 and Super Mario Odyssey.)

PS4 is only delaying the inevitable, sooner or later the Switch gonna get'cha.

So that's all the Switch has?

PS4 has God of War, the Last of Us, Spiderman, Red Dead Redemption, Tekken and many more huge games coming some of which haven't had a game in the series on PS4. So it will sell well. It also has more markets and in many markets its still very expensive. Also PS4 Pro will become more relevant next year and take the place of PS4.



JRPGfan said:
PAOerfulone said:

I agree.

One system JUST launched, the other is at the peak of its pwoers. PS4 had gotten almost all of its big games out there, Switch knly hss 2. edit: (Bullsh*t, PS4 still has tons of big games yet to release)

Even if the PS4 is flat or slightly up YoY this year, next uear is when we are going to see a noticeable drop. At the same time the Switch will be taking off towards its real potential. Think about all of these following games that are coming later down the line(NiS) (Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter 5, Pokemon Gen 8, togo along with Splatoon 2 and Super Mario Odyssey.)

PS4 is only delaying the inevitable, sooner or later the Switch gonna get'cha.

Think about all these following games that are coming later down the line (for PS4):

Tekken 7, Crash Bandicoot: N Sane Trilogy, Middle-earth: Shadow of War, Destiny 2, Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite, South Park: The Fractured But Whole, Call of Duty WW2, Star Wars: Battlefront 2, Gran Turismo Sport, Uncharted: The Lost Legacy, Detroit: Become Human, Vampyr, Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice, Spider-Man, The Last of Us 2, Far Cry 5, Days Gone, God of War, Psychonauts 2, Red Dead Redemption 2, Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Death Stranding, Kingdom Hearts 3, Darksiders 3, Shenmue 3, Dreams, Project Cars 2, Wild, Ni No Kuni 2: Revenant Kingdom, Everybody's Golf,.... and tons and tons more.

Its not like the nintendo switch has more "big" titles comeing than the PS4 does, or the only one with a bright future still ahead of it.

I said BIG games. As in, potential/ guaranteed system sellers and/or AAA titles that make a noticeable impact on hardware sales AND will be the first games of their respective franchises on the hardware.

Tekken - Not that big of a franchise to big with.

Crash - Will move a lot of software, but just like Horizon, won't be a system seller.

Middle-rarth - Already has Shadow of Mordor. South Park - Apreary has Stick of Truth. Call of Duty - Already has Ghosts, Advanced Warfare, Black Ops 3, and Infinite Warfare... The people who wanted to buy a PS4 for Call of Duty have already done so. Star wars - Already has Battlefront 1. Uncharted - Already has the ENTIRE series minus that one Vita game. Detroit - Never heard of it, and I doubt anyone else has either , same with Vampyr ans Senua. Far Cry - Already has Primal. Pyschonauts - Not that big and already has the 1st one. Final Fantasy - Definitely big, but already has XIV, X/X-2 Remastered, and XV. And knowing Square Enix, VII won't be releasing anytime soon. By the time that game is ready, PS5 will be revealed or maybe be about to launch. Dreams - Never heard of it. Ni No Kuni - NICHE in every sense of the word. Everyone's Golf..... Seriously? THAT'S your argument? Do you seriously think that GOLF will make any impact whatsoever?

The only titles that  you listed that can sell large amounts of hardware are Gran Turismo, Spider-Man, RDR2, and Last of Us. (I'll add God of War 4 and GTA 6 just to be generous.)

I should also note that even with the launches of Slim and Pro last year, 2016 was still down YoY compared to 2015. 

Switch may not  have the same quantity of games at the moment, but the ones they have are among the biggest, if not THE biggest and most important. PS4 will still be strong soft are wise, hardware on the other hand, this year is its peak and prime, afterwards, it's going to start its decline.



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Goodnightmoon said:
Kerotan said:

I believe Ireland has the highest percentage of gamers per population of any country.  We're not huge but we're not irrelevant either.

But you are pretty much irrelevant, 4.5m people in a country can't have a big console market.

More relevant then many countries 10 times our size considering we get treated like the UK.  Everything provided day 1. Thankfully the gaming companies consider us relevant like I do. 



No that's not all, but that's the biggest and best that it has.

Out of the games for PS4 you mentioned, do you honestly think ANY of them will come even close to Animal Crossing, let alone Pokemon? Those two games will sell more copies in Japan alone than Tekken will sell worldwide. Plus, Red Dead is multiplatform. 

I'm not saying it won't sell well, but after this year, PS4 will start to decline, while the Switch is just getting started.



PAOerfulone said:
JRPGfan said:

Think about all these following games that are coming later down the line (for PS4):

Tekken 7, Crash Bandicoot: N Sane Trilogy, Middle-earth: Shadow of War, Destiny 2, Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite, South Park: The Fractured But Whole, Call of Duty WW2, Star Wars: Battlefront 2, Gran Turismo Sport, Uncharted: The Lost Legacy, Detroit: Become Human, Vampyr, Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice, Spider-Man, The Last of Us 2, Far Cry 5, Days Gone, God of War, Psychonauts 2, Red Dead Redemption 2, Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Death Stranding, Kingdom Hearts 3, Darksiders 3, Shenmue 3, Dreams, Project Cars 2, Wild, Ni No Kuni 2: Revenant Kingdom, Everybody's Golf,.... and tons and tons more.

Its not like the nintendo switch has more "big" titles comeing than the PS4 does, or the only one with a bright future still ahead of it.

I said BIG games. As in, potential/ guaranteed system sellers and/or AAA titles that make a noticeable impact on hardware sales AND will be the first games of their respective franchises on the hardware.

Tekken - Not that big of a franchise to big with.

Crash - Will move a lot of software, but just like Horizon, won't be a system seller.

Middle-rarth - Already has Shadow of Mordor. South Park - Apreary has Stick of Truth. Call of Duty - Already has Ghosts, Advanced Warfare, Black Ops 3, and Infinite Warfare... The people who wanted to buy a PS4 for Call of Duty have already done so. Star wars - Already has Battlefront 1. Uncharted - Already has the ENTIRE series minus that one Vita game. Detroit - Never heard of it, and I doubt anyone else has either , same with Vampyr ans Senua. Far Cry - Already has Primal. Pyschonauts - Not that big and already has the 1st one. Final Fantasy - Definitely big, but already has XIV, X/X-2 Remastered, and XV. Dreams - Never heard of it. Ni No Kuni - NICHE in every sense of the word. Everyone's Golf..... Seriously? THAT'S your argument? Do you seriously think that GOLF will make any impact whatsoever?

The only titles that  you listed that can sell large amounts of hardware are Gran Turismo, Spider-Man, RDR2, and Last of Us. (I'll add God of War 4 and GTA 6 just to be generous.)

I should also note that even with the launches of Slim and Pro last year, 2016 was still down YoY compared to 2015. 

Switch may not  have the same quantity of games at the moment, but the ones they have are among the biggest, if not THE biggest and most important. PS4 will still be strong soft are wise, hardware on the other hand, this year is its peak and prime, afterwards, it's going to start its decline.

Detroit is going to be huge and if you haven't heard of it then you really aren't in a position to say what games are going to be system sellers for PS4 as you don't even know some of its most hyped upcoming games.

God of War will sell systems. It always does. And this one looks to be an even bigger seller than the previous games.

Also you listed like five games on Switch and PS4 has the same number of system sellers with God of War, Red Dead Redemption 2, The Last of Us 2, Gran Turismo Sport and Spiderman. And then it has huge multiplatform games that will continue to sell systems like FIFA, Star Wars Battlefront and Call of Duty and you may say they have already come out on the system but they come out every year and still sell huge number of PS4's every year.

There are also unannounced games like GTA 6 and Elder Scrolls 6 that haven't had a new release this generation and will sell huge numbver of systems when the come out. There are also a lot of smaller AAA games that are announced and unnanounced that will sell systems and that is something Nintendo doesn't have.

And I'm sure The Last of Us 2 will sell more than Animal Crossing and Mario as the first one sold over 13 million units. God of War generally sells 4 to 6 million units which is more than Splatoon and this one will sell more than previous games. Spiderman could go anyway depending upon the quality and marketing but I'm sure it will have both. He is the most popular superhero and Batman Arkham games sell over 8 million units. This being an exclusive I can see it doing the smae numbers even though Spiderman is more popular. Gran Turismo Sport could go either way but Gran Turismo 7 will be the real system seller. I expect all of them to generally sell the same amount of software and hardware as the Nintendo games you mentioned except Pokemon. But PS4 also has advantage with its multiplatform games.

And PS4 Pro will take PS4's place next year as consumers want more powerful hardware that can run their PS4 games at a higher resolution on their 4K TV's and so its sales will continue to be good.



PAOerfulone said:

No that's not all, but that's the biggest and best that it has.

Out of the games for PS4 you mentioned, do you honestly think ANY of them will come even close to Animal Crossing, let alone Pokemon? Those two games will sell more copies in Japan alone than Tekken will sell worldwide. Plus, Red Dead is multiplatform. 

I'm not saying it won't sell well, but after this year, PS4 will start to decline, while the Switch is just getting started.

Well to be fair there is no guarantee that Animal crossing will sell great on the Switch. So honesstly yeah quite a few of them will come close maybe even surpass animal crossing. It sold amazing on DS and 3DS. About the same and even less than those PS4 games on the Wii and even less on GC and Wii U. So why would you feel that none of those games could come close to it?

Pokemon is another monster all together and I agree that will explode in sales!  One thing is for certain though....after this year the PS4 will definitely decline but it is not for certain if the Switch will surge.....even though I sooooooooooooo hope that it does.



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Tmfwang said:
KLAMarine said:

Hmm, I may have gotten Danish and Norwegian krone confused with one-another then in previous calculations.

Which is still a mark-up in price since the Switch is supposed to be selling at about $300 but here we are seeing prices higher than that.

Actually I can't see. I can't read Norwegian but I did run across this page: https://www.prisjakt.no/category.php?k=401&o=lokal_rank

I can't speak Norwegian but it seems for now, Switch is most popular even as inflated as the price may be. Popularitet is the Norwegian word for popularity yes?

 

Popularitet means popularity yes :)

Switch was #1 most popular of all online products in Norway the first 2ish months after its launch, then it fell to #3.

in comparison the PS4 was #1 of all online products from its launch through the entire year of 2014.

Edit: That link you posted only has the most popular within that exact category, here you can view top 100 of all items:

https://www.prisjakt.no/category.php?k=v100

I'll take your word for it. I can't read Norwegian.