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Legend11 said:
Is anyone else getting really sick of the RROD threads?

 Maybe the 360 shouldn't have such a high failure rate.



 

 

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My late 06 pro model still hasn't Red ringed. Just lucky I guess :)



I'm sure that the percentage of 360's now have less RRoD but just about every display 360 I see at Wal-Mart or gamestop is dead, but I'll give the benefit of doubt and say those are the old SKU's and not the newer ones.



Its fixed now.. but I wonder if the old consoles that got rrod were all recalled?

 



MontanaHatchet said:
Legend11 said:
Is anyone else getting really sick of the RROD threads?

 Maybe the 360 shouldn't have such a high failure rate.


 QFT!

I mean, if I made a car that blew up and I knew it was going to blow up randomly, and then later came out with one that didn't (or blew up less), should I be forgiven?

No. I hope the 360's sales never recover. I want MS to come out with another console, and I hope them all the success in the world with it. But when you f*ck over your customer base like MS did, there should be consequences.

The only people who can make MS create a reliable product, is the consumer with there purchasing power. Let's hope they use it.



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Its fixed for the most part, there is still a chance, but its very small.



ironmanDX said:
Its fixed for the most part, there is still a chance, but its very small.

No it's not. Just the new ones are. There are predictions that as much as 70% of all the original consoles will fail. Some claim virtually all of them will. It's just a matter of when.

If you are one of the millions with an older console (me), it will break. I almost never play it now because of it.



To answer the original question: we simply won't know for a year, just as no one knew their launch unit was going to brick on them until a year or so later. Chances are they have a much higher chance of survival than the units that came before them, but that doesn't mean you're safe. Of course, reports I've read have said other reports I've read were blowing the problem slightly out of proportion (16% rather than 35%, but either number is still bad). So if you want a stable machine, don't buy a 360 just yet. If you want one more stable than the ones manufactured in the first year, though, you'll be okay. Just depends on if you are willing to take more of a risk than other consumer products or not.

And anyone who commented on twesterms posts needs to realize the guy sits firmly on one side of the fanboy fence and doesn't mind fighting the bad fight every time, everywhere. He doesn't need to be honest, he likes microsoft. And so, in turn, regardless of whether he realizes it or not, his posts do not coincide with the reality that the rest of us face, and he doesn't care if you have to send your 360 in for repairs every few months. Just so long as his team wins, he'll be satisfied. Who cares if you have to send your console away for weeks on end to get repaired, right? I mean, DRE didn't piss off millions of PS2 owners such as myself, right? If we'd all just be like twesterm we could pretend there's not a problem and that it's not a major inconvenience when it bites us in the ass, because we're fanboys and we have to stick to our guns even when were wrong! ...Right?



You do not have the right to never be offended.

Main problem was fixed.
Originally The GPU gets too hot and connection to PCB cracks then system is dead.
The Original units had a simple heatsink and it was not enough to cool the GPU properly.

New X360 units have a heatpipe and radiator on the GPU (same as the PS3 has on it's GPU and CPU) so it's much better.
The CPU on X360 is still on a simple heatsink though fortunatly most current games dont use 100% cpu but if they did it may also cause RROD problems in the future.

Overall the PS3 has the most elegant cooling system of any console with it's heatpipes and single low speed 120mm cooling fan It can pump heat out very effectivly and is designed to last. It's cooling system is the best by far.

X360 has 2 small high speed (noise generator) fans if either one fails the unit will probably RROD.

Wii probably does not even have a fan it generates under 20 watts of heat. ?



PS3 number 1 fan

Legend11 said:
Is anyone else getting really sick of the RROD threads?

Yes. Microsoft.

You can't solve a "fundamental design flaw" by reducing the chip's die size, no matter how much better you think Forza is than GT.

The falcon's will need to be on the market for at least a year before you can even begin to get a decent estimate of failure rates, but I can guarantee you they won't fall to "normal" (<5%) levels with the current design.