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numberwang said:
Two important things happened recently, the caliphate will not be much longer.

Iraqi forces enter Mosul mosque where Isis declared caliphate
Iraqi forces close to seizing control of Great Mosque of al-Nuri, where Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi proclaimed himself Isis leader three years ago

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/29/mosul-mosque-where-isis-declared-caliphate-has-been-recaptured
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/iraq-army-seizes-ruins-mosul-mosque-isil-170629101924765.html


Russia's Foreign Ministry has said there is a high degree of certainty that Isis leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is dead.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-dead-latest-news-isis-russian-airstrike-islamic-state-a7802796.html

"The Caliphate"

That's a gigantic exageration. Caliphate roughly translates to Empire; but it has greater meaning by Arabic reckoning is greater than that too, as it must be ruled by someone from royal lineage in the line of Qeraysh. Calling them the Caliphate is as accurate as calling them the Roman Empire.

They're a few thousand paramilitary rebels that is over-exposed in Western media, not an Empire.



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Jumpin said:

"The Caliphate"

That's a gigantic exageration. Caliphate roughly translates to Empire; but it has greater meaning by Arabic reckoning is greater than that too, as it must be ruled by someone from royal lineage in the line of Qeraysh. Calling them the Caliphate is as accurate as calling them the Roman Empire.

They're a few thousand paramilitary rebels that is over-exposed in Western media, not an Empire.

ISIS was a major force because they included most of the Sunnis in Iraq and Syria after the Shia-government took control in Iraq. The Sunni-Shia divide in Iraq will be a long-term line of friction.

If ISIS is defeated by 'colluding' with the Russians without another escalation it will be the largest foreign success by Trump/Mattis repairing most of the damage that Obama/Clinton started by trying to overthrow the government of Syria (and Libya).

 



The YPG has done a pretty good job.



The collapse of ISIS is inevitable. The leader of ISIS will be found and executed on the spot. The death of the ISIS leader will hopefully end ISIS reign of tyranny. 



Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The collapse of ISIS is inevitable. The leader of ISIS will be found and executed on the spot. The death of the ISIS leader will hopefully end ISIS reign of tyranny. 

This.

But the end of ISIS isn't the end of War or Terrorism.




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The current war may end but likely the Islamic state will take over and destroy western Europe within the next 50 years. They are on the way to outbreed the local population and become the ruling majority.



Sounds like a good time to pull the troops.



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Both Iraq and Syria are now preparing to rebuild their damaged cities, in particular Aleppo, Homs and Mosul. The military defeat of ISIS came faster than expected, I assume he mercenaries ran out of money. Raqqa is the last stronghold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Ux5-YSSys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy7idtmZQtU



This started when Obama/Clinton decided in 2012 that regime change in Syria was necessary by arming 'rebels'.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-17578802/clinton-the-world-will-not-waver-assad-must-go
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-signs-bill-to-arm-and-train-syrian-rebels/



Wow. The kurds are really good. 50% of raqqa already gained in just less than a month. 

Isis will die soon but a new isis will be born instead. That will go on until the west can finally make a regime change and bring a secular guy/woman. Like the kurds.



Trumps ends the CIA program to arm and train 'rebels' fighting the Syrian government.

Note how the MSM spins that negatively - more war is always good for news business. The only time Trump was ever praised by the media is when he launched cruise missiles.

http://thehill.com/news-by-subject/defense-homeland-security/342772-trump-shuts-down-cia-program-to-arm-syrian-rebels
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?pushid=596fab4ff1dad71d00000034&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.7e3f288575bf