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Fei-Hung said:
Eagle367 said:

The khawarijites are a sect of Islam since they follow the basics of belief in Allah and the last Prophet(pbuh). The ahmedis or qadiyanis don't believe in The last Prophet(pbuh) so a huge difference there. Khawarijites are akin to Sunnis shias wahabis or any other sect.

Yeah all the terrorist attacks by USA and Daesh and Taliban and al-qaeda are never reported if they occur in the middle east or Asia as a matter of fact. The Buddhist terrorism in Burma is also not reported. The Indian terrorism in India or any terrorism in Africa. Its only terrorism when the west is affected I guess

You're very wrong. According to Sahi Hadith the Khawarij are not Muslims. As the Prophet pbuh said, their words / prayers do not go beyond their throat and they as far removed from Islam as an arrow from a bow. 

 

http://dailyhadith.abuaminaelias.com/2014/09/18/hadith-on-khawarij-the-kharijites-come-with-beautiful-preaching-but-evil-deeds/

You know it doesn't work that way. Pretty much every piece of negative press about something a "Christian" person did was from some tiny crazy sect or cult claiming the name with no legitimacy. If people attribute even things like Westboro (which is a family of lawyers who live off of suing people they offend) to Christianity, you don't get to claim differences and people just nod.



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Aura7541 said:
A similar attack occurred in Antwerp, Belgium.

Luckily he failed. He was arrested and there were no casualties.



Qwark said:
celador said:

Nope, he is a piece of shit, and I am disgusted that he is my mayor

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/67238/londons-first-muslim-mayor-defended-911-terrorists/#XebOUJXTp5YbDaAW.97

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

Western society is at an all time low if people like this can become major in London. I like Aboutaleb the major of Rotterdam who is a Muslim (and an Islamophobe according to Erdogan). Defending 911 however is some sick mentality for a London major to have.

He's the same man who believes terror attacks are part of living in a big city.



                
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SpokenTruth said:
LadyJasmine said:

i always find it funny when Liberals defend Islam from all critique and say your racist...

 

Yet

Then dont say anything about this

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/imam-sermon-montreal-mosque-1.4037397

Imam calling for Jews to be killed in sermon at Montreal mosque draws police complaint

It is good muslims at large are against this but the reality is the man was invited and spoke to 100s of people who sat there and listened.

Because the wholesale labeling of a group of 1.7 billion as equitable to the few thousand members of ISIS is problematic on multiple fronts.

1. The criticism of Islam is a massive recruiting tool.  You create your own enemy.

2. It damages our relationships with foreign nations in the fight against ISIS.

3. It's childish, asisine and hypocritical.

By the way, if that Imam sermon drew police complaints...who complained?  You insinuate that the congregation simply listened and accepted his speach and yet, the police were called in.  Obviously, many in the congregation didn't take kindly to the Imam's hate speach. 

Islam is a deeply flawed religion that goes against liberal values and I can say that as a former Muslim myself and likely have far more knowledge of the local community and of my own faith and the problems within it.

The fact  liberals defend it yet bash on christianity simply shows hypocrisy of the highest order.

Frstly being critical of islam is not saying all Muslims are terrorists. That is just racist.

 Saying Islam has an issue in being hateful against other religious minorties and treats women badly are now seen as racist attacks when that is a legit crictism of the the religion based on what we have seen in the world where Islam is dominant. 

The point of liberalism is to defend the freedom of religion and stand against the unprogressive aspects of it..

 Not defend religions especially ones full of backwards ideals such as islam.

Christinanity in general has somewhat changed to a changing world, yet people would not think twice on bashing christians but decry attacks on islam as racist.

No your making up facts, the police only got involved after the muslim congress of Canada got involved and the story leaked out to the media. The reality is this man was invited with such known views and was listened and to had a receptive audience in a secular peaceful nation.



tokilamockingbrd said:
Pemalite said:

United Patriots Front have a massive amount of support. It's Facebook page has more likes than Reclaim Australia. (116k vs 71k)

The media tends to "hush" about United Patriots Front because of it's extremist views. Yes. They are an extremist group.
Reclaim Australia is a little less extreme... They are buoyed by One Nation and the Australian Tea Party.

It's unacceptable for both sides to be acting as they are. Even the far left groups who counter-protest United Patriots Front and Reclaim Australia are taking things way to far.

The fact that you are willing to be apologetic towards the far-right groups under the belief that they aren't as "guilty" as their opposition is laughable. A kid holding a sign up is in contrast to United Patriots Front and Reclaim Australia Members planning the construction of bombs and carrying guns. - But the kid is more guilty? Puh-lease.

My point is, all the groups need to calm their tits and move on with life. I'm honestly sick of it all.

exactly what are these far right groups "guilty" of besides not alighing with your view of the world?

 

Did I not outline that in the post that you quoted? Seriously? Read my other posts for a more elaborate answer to your question.




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Fei-Hung said:
Eagle367 said:

The khawarijites are a sect of Islam since they follow the basics of belief in Allah and the last Prophet(pbuh). The ahmedis or qadiyanis don't believe in The last Prophet(pbuh) so a huge difference there. Khawarijites are akin to Sunnis shias wahabis or any other sect.

Yeah all the terrorist attacks by USA and Daesh and Taliban and al-qaeda are never reported if they occur in the middle east or Asia as a matter of fact. The Buddhist terrorism in Burma is also not reported. The Indian terrorism in India or any terrorism in Africa. Its only terrorism when the west is affected I guess

You're very wrong. According to Sahi Hadith the Khawarij are not Muslims. As the Prophet pbuh said, their words / prayers do not go beyond their throat and they as far removed from Islam as an arrow from a bow. 

 

http://dailyhadith.abuaminaelias.com/2014/09/18/hadith-on-khawarij-the-kharijites-come-with-beautiful-preaching-but-evil-deeds/

Yup you are correct , Saudi has been fighting this terorism and now my country also joined with Saudi to fight this peoples.  We are the salaf are people who go agaisnt khawaridj, 



LadyJasmine said:
SpokenTruth said:

Because the wholesale labeling of a group of 1.7 billion as equitable to the few thousand members of ISIS is problematic on multiple fronts.

1. The criticism of Islam is a massive recruiting tool.  You create your own enemy.

2. It damages our relationships with foreign nations in the fight against ISIS.

3. It's childish, asisine and hypocritical.

By the way, if that Imam sermon drew police complaints...who complained?  You insinuate that the congregation simply listened and accepted his speach and yet, the police were called in.  Obviously, many in the congregation didn't take kindly to the Imam's hate speach. 

Islam is a deeply flawed religion that goes against liberal values and I can say that as a former Muslim myself and likely have far more knowledge of the local community and of my own faith and the problems within it.

The fact  liberals defend it yet bash on christianity simply shows hypocrisy of the highest order.

Frstly being critical of islam is not saying all Muslims are terrorists. That is just racist.

 Saying Islam has an issue in being hateful against other religious minorties and treats women badly are now seen as racist attacks when that is a legit crictism of the the religion based on what we have seen in the world where Islam is dominant. 

The point of liberalism is to defend the freedom of religion and stand against the unprogressive aspects of it..

 Not defend religions especially ones full of backwards ideals such as islam.

Christinanity in general has somewhat changed to a changing world, yet people would not think twice on bashing christians but decry attacks on islam as racist.

No your making up facts, the police only got involved after the muslim congress of Canada got involved and the story leaked out to the media. The reality is this man was invited with such known views and was listened and to had a receptive audience in a secular peaceful nation.

Exactly, I agree with you 100%, only with one thing to add. I think that we’ve got to a point where things are so stinky, not only that people are afraid to criticize islam for the fear of being labeled as racist/ bigots, but they are also afraid of physical harm if they do, from the muslim comunity.

I work with a lot of muslims, young muslims, and I can tell you that they still have a medieval mentality that doesn’t belong/mix well with the modern society.

1.       They are supportive of arranged and forced marriages. I work with women's from Pakistan and Afghanistan, and what made me go WTF, was their stories. These girls have been brought to Canada as kids, and once they reached 18 they have been forced in to arranged marriages. These girls have been through primary and high-school in Canada, and when they reached 18, they have been forced to go back to Afghanistan and Pakistan and marry there with some guy they have never met.

2.       It’s funny how some guy was posting that this is just a muslim vs Christian war, when in fact muslims hate non-believers, the most. I’m an Eastern European born Christian, but I’m a non-believer, an Atheist. Every Muslim that I have met/work with, were very respectful of me knowing that I’m an Eastern European  Christian, once I’ve started telling them that I’m a non-believer, they just lost it on me. That is just another example of how the new wave of liberals, are getting suicidal by defending islam.  

3.       They hate gay people, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard from my muslim colleges “in my country, we kill gays, and that’s how it should be”.

4.       The only Muslims that I have met/talked to, and had a conversation where  they have openly told me that Islam is wrong and incompatible with the modern society, were Muslims from Africa, especially from Nigeria and Kenya.  And those people agree that islam needs to be reformed.

 

You know what, we in Eastern Europe, we have learned our lesson during the Ottoman invasions. It’s funny how we don’t have these problems that the West is facing now, maybe it has something to do with the fact that when it comes to Islam, we’ve embraced the motto “you can come in visit, but after the visit, you have to leave” …..



Muslims are not bad people, it just is common sense that you do not bring in many peoples who unlike Indians and asians who wish to embrace the Western culture, come in to the West and stick to outdated ways.

Most Muslims who come here do btw anyways



LadyJasmine said:

Muslims are not bad people, it just is common sense that you do not bring in many peoples who unlike Indians and asians who wish to embrace the Western culture, come in to the West and stick to outdated ways.

Most Muslims who come here do btw anyways

Ironically back in the 90's Australia 's conservatives were very big on not allowing Indians and Asians to enter Australia as they were coming over in droves, not integrating, forming ghetto's and destroying our "culture".

So not only were the conservatives wrong that time... They were also wrong during WW2 when Nazi Germany attacked the Jews on all fronts, which is a religion related to Islam in it's historical religious context.

Will the conservatives finally get it right with Muslims? We will need to wait and see.




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AZWification said:
Qwark said:

Western society is at an all time low if people like this can become major in London. I like Aboutaleb the major of Rotterdam who is a Muslim (and an Islamophobe according to Erdogan). Defending 911 however is some sick mentality for a London major to have.

He's the same man who believes terror attacks are part of living in a big city.

From a statistical point if view chances are the highest that terror attacks with manslaughter occur in big cities. But saying it's a part of living in a big city is pretty much saying stop whining about terrorism or move out of big cities. 



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