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Goodnightmoon said:
potato_hamster said:

I haven't. The crux of your argument is that you don't like how he's looking about it from a perpective different than yours, and you feel that perspective is wrong. 

Yes, he is looking it from what I think is a very a narrow minded perspective, the same as those that thought tablets were gonna fail because it didn't fair well when comparing some of its qualities with what we already have, the problem in both cases is similar, being unable to look beyond what you already know and valuing more what it hasn't/doesn't instead of what it has/does.

The reviewer is not saying the console is going to "fail". You are adding that agenda on your own. 

Plenty of mixed reviewed products go on to be successful anyway.

Who was saying tablets were going to fail anyway? And you can't criticize a tablet's functionality because it's successful? Says who? 



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Soundwave said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Yes, he is looking it from what I think is a very a narrow minded perspective, the same as those that thought tablets were gonna fail because it didn't fair well when comparing some of its qualities with what we already have, the problem in both cases is similar, being unable to look beyond what you already know and valuing more what it hasn't/doesn't instead of what it has/does.

The reviewer is not saying the console is going to "fail". You are adding that agenda on your own. 

Plenty of mixed reviewed products go on to be successful anyway.

Who was saying tablets were going to fail anyway? And you can't criticize a tablet's functionality because it's successful? Says who? 

You are losing my point again, I'm talking about a similar lack of vision, not about wether he said is gonna fail or not, in both cases some people looked it from a narrowminded pov in which they only see what the thing lacks when compared directly with a different kind of device already stablished, and yes, at least as far as I remember tablets were received pretty badly at first, its gigantic success was a surprise for many, in this case IGN review seems to be more of an exception though. 



Goodnightmoon said:
Soundwave said:

The reviewer is not saying the console is going to "fail". You are adding that agenda on your own. 

Plenty of mixed reviewed products go on to be successful anyway.

Who was saying tablets were going to fail anyway? And you can't criticize a tablet's functionality because it's successful? Says who? 

You are losing my point again, I'm talking about a similar lack of vision, not about wether he said is gonna fail or not, in both cases some people looked it from a narrowminded pov in which they only see what the thing lacks when compared directly with a different kind of device already stablished, and yes, at least as far as I remember tablets were received pretty badly at first, its gigantic success was a surprise for many, in this case IGN review seems to be more of an exception though. 

The "gigantic success" for tablets has been over for a couple of years already, this market is shrinking.

I'm not sure if IGN review is an exception, the Gamekult review is pretty close (basically "not a worthy alternative to a PS4 or XOne for a home console, not answering to current needs. Great for handheld gamers who love Nintendo, Japanese and indie games though").



Faelco said:
Goodnightmoon said:

You are losing my point again, I'm talking about a similar lack of vision, not about wether he said is gonna fail or not, in both cases some people looked it from a narrowminded pov in which they only see what the thing lacks when compared directly with a different kind of device already stablished, and yes, at least as far as I remember tablets were received pretty badly at first, its gigantic success was a surprise for many, in this case IGN review seems to be more of an exception though. 

The "gigantic success" for tablets has been over for a couple of years already, this market is shrinking.

Maybe its time is already over, but how does that affects in any point of what I said? Tablets were extremelly succesful for many years.



Goodnightmoon said:
potato_hamster said:

I haven't. The crux of your argument is that you don't like how he's looking about it from a perpective different than yours, and you feel that perspective is wrong. 

Yes, he is looking it from what I think is a very a narrow minded perspective, the same as those that thought tablets were gonna fail because it didn't fair well when comparing some of its qualities with what we already have, the problem in both cases is similar, being unable to look beyond what you already know and valuing more what it hasn't/doesn't instead of what it has/does.

He has a narrow perspective, because when he used the unit, when he played games on it, when he tried it in different modes, and tested out this feature or that feature (all of which you have not done) he came to a different conclusion then the one you believe you will have when you use the unit, having absolutely zero hands on experience with it yourself.  After using the Switch himself, he found in many ways, the home console experience the Switch offeres is not as good as the home console expereince he has come to expect, and in other ways, the portable console experience not as good as the portable console experience he has come to expect. He found it to be a compromise, and he did not like that compromise. He's critizing it for being worse, not for being different. Yet somehow, his unwillingness to accept this compromise, and his feelings that this leads to a poorer experienceis narrow minded? How exactly?

You remind me of all those Xbox fans who kept harping on "the power of the cloud" when they hadnt actually seen any tangible demonstration of that power that actually made any meaningful difference(and still haven't). All you have is hypotheticals. All you have is what you believe the Switch might be able to do some day. Unfortunately for you, this reviewer decided to stick to how the Switch performs in the present, not what it might be able to do in the future.



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Platina said:
Anyone have references to what the Wii U, 3DS and PS4/XOne got?

All of them got 8-9



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

Platina said:
Anyone have references to what the Wii U, 3DS and PS4/XOne got?

WiiU: 8.0
PS4: 8.2 (then 8.4 a year later)
X1: 7.8
PS4 Pro: 8.5
PS4 Slim: 8.0
X1S: 8.5



potato_hamster said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Yes, he is looking it from what I think is a very a narrow minded perspective, the same as those that thought tablets were gonna fail because it didn't fair well when comparing some of its qualities with what we already have, the problem in both cases is similar, being unable to look beyond what you already know and valuing more what it hasn't/doesn't instead of what it has/does.

He has a narrow perspective, because when he used the unit, when he played games on it, when he tried it in different modes, and tested out this feature or that feature (all of which you have not done) he came to a different conclusion then the one you believe you will have when you use the unit, having absolutely zero hands on experience with it yourself.  After using the Switch himself, he found in many ways, the home console experience the Switch offeres is not as good as the home console expereince he has come to expect, and in other ways, the portable console experience not as good as the portable console experience he has come to expect. He found it to be a compromise, and he did not like that compromise. He's critizing it for being worse, not for being different. Yet somehow, his unwillingness to accept this compromise, and his feelings that this leads to a poorer experienceis narrow minded? How exactly?

You remind me of all those Xbox fans who kept harping on "the power of the cloud" when they hadnt actually seen any tangible demonstration of that power that actually made any meaningful difference(and still haven't). All you have is hypotheticals. All you have is what you believe the Switch might be able to do some day. Unfortunately for you, this reviewer decided to stick to how the Switch performs in the present, not what it might be able to do in the future.

Yes he seems to have a kind of narrowminded perspective of the console and time will show it, the comparison with the cloud is pretty absurd, suree you need to try the console first to confirm some of the things, but even without the console you can already see the flaws on some of his reasoning or the perspective he is taking, specially after reading the amount of reviews we already have about it. But again, time will tell, and I'm inclined to believe IGN will review this again in the future.



Goodnightmoon said:
Soundwave said:

The reviewer is not saying the console is going to "fail". You are adding that agenda on your own. 

Plenty of mixed reviewed products go on to be successful anyway.

Who was saying tablets were going to fail anyway? And you can't criticize a tablet's functionality because it's successful? Says who? 

You are losing my point again, I'm talking about a similar lack of vision, not about wether he said is gonna fail or not, in both cases some people looked it from a narrowminded pov in which they only see what the thing lacks when compared directly with a different kind of device already stablished, and yes, at least as far as I remember tablets were received pretty badly at first, its gigantic success was a surprise for many, in this case IGN review seems to be more of an exception though. 

A surprise to who? Smartphones were already wildly successful. 

At the end of the day, a product's success doesn't invalidate a poor review anyway. If a person has a complaint about a tablet not being good for a work environment ... it's a valid point, whether or not the product is successful or not doesn't have any bearing on that. 

It's like saying "well you have to give the new Transformers movie a higher score because it had a huge opening weekend" .... uhhh .... no you don't. 



If you want more reviews of the Switch, Metacritic has a page for it:

http://www.metacritic.com/feature/nintendo-switch-console-hardware-review?ref=hp

One "extremely positive review" (90), a lot of positive ones, but also a bunch of mixed reviews. IGN aren't the only ones finding some issues with the device. A lot of the positive reviews talk about issues or doubts too, even if they like the console. No negative review though.