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Forums - Nintendo - Should Nintendo Stop Innovating And Make A Traditional Console?

 

So, what do you think?

No, not at all. Innovatio... 122 33.42%
 
Not really, but I'd like... 92 25.21%
 
Don't know. Time will tell? 11 3.01%
 
Yeah, more less. Traditional is good. 47 12.88%
 
Absolutely. PS4 and Xbox ... 52 14.25%
 
What's "traditional" anyway? 19 5.21%
 
Show me the answers! 22 6.03%
 
Total:365
NATO said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The Vita sold to Sony's loyalists of their handhelds. The PSP sold more than the Vita did, but the handheld intererest lowered as droughts were rampant. This is the same thing that hurt the Wii U. Vita is similar to the switch in what it does but there will be more third party support if Nintendo is to be believed. The thing that makes the Vita unappealing is what made the PSP and DS more appealing. They were cheaper to develop for and thus the third party was quicker and more readily to appear in abundance. This made for a larger and more memorable library. If you look at the highest selling consoles they were not the most powerful. The Wii, PS2, PS1, DS and 3DS were the least powerful of their respective generations. The PS4 is the first time in a long time that the most powerful console is winning by a mile like the SNES to the genesis.

WiiU launched directly after a 100m+ selling nintendo home console, where are those loyalists? last i checked psp didn't sell 100m

The Wii U sold mostly to people who did not game. It was an anomaly, or lightening in a bottle that will not return until the next big gimmick. The more frequent gamers play traditional games. For the most part most of those gamers have been sustained by Sony as their primary brand for the past twenty years. The PS3 and Xbox 360 sold right down the middle into the PS2's marketshare which sold over 160 million by itelf. Interesting, eh?



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Soundwave said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The Vita sold to Sony's loyalists of their handhelds. The PSP sold more than the Vita did, but the handheld intererest lowered as droughts were rampant. This is the same thing that hurt the Wii U. Vita is similar to the switch in what it does but there will be more third party support if Nintendo is to be believed. The thing that makes the Vita unappealing is what made the PSP and DS more appealing. They were cheaper to develop for and thus the third party was quicker and more readily to appear in abundance. This made for a larger and more memorable library. If you look at the highest selling consoles they were not the most powerful. The Wii, PS2, PS1, DS and 3DS were the least powerful of their respective generations. The PS4 is the first time in a long time that the most powerful console is winning by a mile like the SNES to the genesis.

Even that is technically not true. 

The Saturn was less powerful than the Playstation. The Dreamcast was less powerful than the PS2. 

Being less powerful doesn't gauruntee you shit. 

The home consoles that win their generation do so usually with the best third party support combined with good execution (ie: good pricing, marketing, etc.). The "power" stuff basically just boils down to one factor: can your hardware run the "big gun" software of its day that the masses really want to play. That's all. 

Sony, like them or not, simply does this better than anyone else, it's why they've basically won 3/4 generations and won them easily, and even their worst selling console (PS3) would equate to sales that any one of Sega, Nintendo, or Microsoft would gladly take. When 85 million people still buy your "failed" console, lol, this is like the kid in school who thinks getting a B+ is the end of the world because they only get As. 

I'm sure Nintendo wouldn't like to take the losses Sony made with the PS3. That's why it's a failed console. 



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

Soundwave said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The Vita sold to Sony's loyalists of their handhelds. The PSP sold more than the Vita did, but the handheld intererest lowered as droughts were rampant. This is the same thing that hurt the Wii U. Vita is similar to the switch in what it does but there will be more third party support if Nintendo is to be believed. The thing that makes the Vita unappealing is what made the PSP and DS more appealing. They were cheaper to develop for and thus the third party was quicker and more readily to appear in abundance. This made for a larger and more memorable library. If you look at the highest selling consoles they were not the most powerful. The Wii, PS2, PS1, DS and 3DS were the least powerful of their respective generations. The PS4 is the first time in a long time that the most powerful console is winning by a mile like the SNES to the genesis.

Even that is technically not true. 

The Saturn was less powerful than the Playstation. The Dreamcast was less powerful than the PS2. 

Being less powerful doesn't gauruntee you shit. 

The home consoles that win their generation do so usually with the best third party support combined with good execution (ie: good pricing, marketing, etc.). The "power" stuff basically just boils down to one factor: can your hardware run the "big gun" software of its day that the masses really want to play. That's all. 

Sony, like them or not, simply does this better than anyone else, it's why they've basically won 3/4 generations and won them easily, and even their worst selling console (PS3) would equate to sales that any one of Sega, Nintendo, or Microsoft would gladly take. When 85 million people still buy your "failed" console, lol, this is like the kid in school who thinks getting a B+ is the end of the world because they only get As. 

Are you sure the Saturn was less powerful than the original Playstation? Even the N64 was more powerful than the Playstation.



Alkibiádēs said:
Soundwave said:

Even that is technically not true. 

The Saturn was less powerful than the Playstation. The Dreamcast was less powerful than the PS2. 

Being less powerful doesn't gauruntee you shit. 

The home consoles that win their generation do so usually with the best third party support combined with good execution (ie: good pricing, marketing, etc.). The "power" stuff basically just boils down to one factor: can your hardware run the "big gun" software of its day that the masses really want to play. That's all. 

Sony, like them or not, simply does this better than anyone else, it's why they've basically won 3/4 generations and won them easily, and even their worst selling console (PS3) would equate to sales that any one of Sega, Nintendo, or Microsoft would gladly take. When 85 million people still buy your "failed" console, lol, this is like the kid in school who thinks getting a B+ is the end of the world because they only get As. 

I'm sure Nintendo wouldn't like to take the losses Sony made with the PS3. That's why it's a failed console. 

The losses were largely due to the Blu-Ray format being forced onto the system by Sony's higher ups, not the game division. 

Still says something when you can come back from a disastrous start and still end up selling 85 million. It means the consumer still values your product highly if that many of them are willing to buy it. 

It's like a star athlete that has a "shitty game" by his standards but still ends up putting up a ton of points/yards/whatever that any average or even other good player would love to have a game that "bad". 

And the PS1, 2, and 4 generations? Not even close. Not even competetive, Sony has just slaughtered the competetion in those gens. Have to give credit where credit is due. 



Alkibiádēs said:

I'm sure Nintendo wouldn't like to take the losses Sony made with the PS3. That's why it's a failed console. 

The difference is it still had 85 million sales, and the majority of those owners went on to buy the PS4, where as Nintendo went from major profits and 100m sales to sub-vita sales and poor profits.

I'd much rather take a hit one generation and retain a healthy customer base then turn a profit to a significantly smaller customer base.

...in the distance I can hear the guteral scraping sounds of goalposts being moved..


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Cloudman said:
zorg1000 said:

What does that have to do with Nintendo?

Ninten hasn't gone with traditional since the gamecube, and while the Wii was a big success, the Wii U was a big failure, while Sony still remaining mostly the same has continued to do well, and with how the industry is currently going, perhaps going with the more powerful console is a safer bet. But I still do love Nintendo and the things they've done and continue to do.

"It works for them, it will work for us!!!" is a horrible way of thinking.

Copying another companies successful strategy does not mean you will be successful, an example Wii Remote & Playstation Move. Wii Remote was a huge mass market success, PS Move was a moderate success at best. Other examples, Smash Bros vs PS All Stars or Mario Kart vs LBP Karting.

The point of a powerful console+traditional controller strategy is primarily get the big multiplatform 3rd party titles so the question is how many of the people who buy consoles for these games will choose Nintendo over PS/XB? Will current PS4/XBO owners jump ship to play these games on Nintendo? Not likely, they already have a console to play them. Will future buyers choose Nintendo over PS4/XBO? Perhaps some but most will choose the consoles with already large libraries and online communities that their friends are playing on.

The most likely result is that the majority of people who buy this Nintendo console will do so to play exclusives and multiplats will be an afterthought.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

NATO said:
Alkibiádēs said:

I'm sure Nintendo wouldn't like to take the losses Sony made with the PS3. That's why it's a failed console. 

The difference is it still had 85 million sales, and the majority of those owners went on to buy the PS4, where as Nintendo went from major profits and 100m sales to sub-vita sales and poor profits.

I'd much rather take a hit one generation and retain a healthy customer base then turn a profit to a significantly smaller customer base.

...in the distance I can hear the guteral scraping sounds of goalposts being moved..

Poor profits, you mean like the ones Sony is making? Nintendo made over $900 million for Q1-Q3 2016. And over $500 million for Q3 alone. 

Anyway, 3DS still sold over 65M and will probaby reach 70M when all is said and done.

PS3 is a failed console no matter what way you look at and it brought Sony much closer to demise than the Wii U did Nintendo. 



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

I actually think the Switch is their most "traditional/conventional/standard/normal" system since GBA/GCN. Normal controller (in terms of inputs and layout), no second screen, no touchscreen controls in games, and while there's still motion controls they aren't the focus of every game (only one or two so far, optional or unused otherwise) and aren't compromising the controller i.e. Wiimotes. The gimmick this time doesn't affect the games or their design themselves, just where you can play them. You don't have to waggle or look down at another screen, Switch games are played the same as they would be on Sony/Microsoft systems or older Nintendo systems, you can just take them anywhere now is all.



Alkibiádēs said:

Poor profits, you mean like the ones Sony is making? Nintendo made over $900 million for Q1-Q3 2016. And over $500 million for Q3 alone. 

Anyway, 3DS still sold over 65M and will probaby reach 70M when all is said and done.

PS3 is a failed console no matter what way you look at and it brought Sony much closer to demise than the Wii U did Nintendo. 

And yet, those happy PS3 customers carried over to the PS4, resulting in this.

Sony's PlayStation Network sales hit 529,000m yen which means that PSN generated more revenue than the whole of Nintendo (504,000m yen).


NATO said:
Alkibiádēs said:

Poor profits, you mean like the ones Sony is making? Nintendo made over $900 million for Q1-Q3 2016. And over $500 million for Q3 alone. 

Anyway, 3DS still sold over 65M and will probaby reach 70M when all is said and done.

PS3 is a failed console no matter what way you look at and it brought Sony much closer to demise than the Wii U did Nintendo. 

And yet, those happy PS3 customers carried over to the PS4, resulting in this.

Sony's PlayStation Network sales hit 529,000m yen which means that PSN generated more revenue than the whole of Nintendo (504,000m yen).

Profit is more important than revenue. Also, Sony has closed down numerous development studios this gen, so they can't be too happy with the money they're making. 

And happy PS3 customers, I know I wouldn't be happy if I bought a PS3 for $600. MS just shot themselves in the foot by releasing a weaker console for $500 this generation. They made the same mistake Sony made last-gen. 



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides