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Tootylicious on 06 February 2017

Props for the statement about the US, should be the most universally acclaimed statement of his.
Towards Russia, maybe he meant awe-inspiring instead of respect, because a big nation as Russia can be dangerous af and you definitely don't want Putin as your enemy.



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outlawauron on 06 February 2017
LurkerJ said:
Puppyroach said:
He is right in this case but calling a compulsive liar "honest" because he's telling the truth once a month is a bit extreme.

I am surprised by the amount of Americans who truly believe their country's morally superior. One thing I love about Trump, he's shedding light on the hypocrisy from the right & the left, and it's hilarious to watch.

That's largely due to fact that the US has been given the responsibility of being the police of the world and the fact that the US government give $40-50 billion away in foreign aid every year and then private citizens give another $25-30 billion. It's easy to sit on a high horse when you're doing things like that.



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Faust on 06 February 2017

and how does this translate on policy?



Zkuq on 06 February 2017
naruball said:
Zkuq said:
Trump? Honest? He's occassionally honest, but he basically won the election by offering suspiciously easy solutions to difficult problems instead of uncomfortable truths. He's a manipulator who's mastered the art of bending the truth to his needs.

He's honest this time for sure (although I think he completely dodges the point), but characterizing him as 'completely honest' just couldn't be much further away from truth.

Gotta disagree with the bolded. He hasn't mastered anything (imho). His lies are beyond obvious. People are so ready to defend him that Hillary could write his next speech and people would eat it up and say they agree with what he said 100%. I've yet to see his supporters (not some people who agree with some of the things he say) criticise him for a single thing so far. 

Other than them, he ain't fooling anyone and he's the furthest thing from a master manipulator.

You know, I really thought whether I should use the word 'master' there. It seems I should've used something else.



Eagle367 on 06 February 2017
LurkerJ said:
snyperdud said:
I don't think he's wrong at all, but is it a good reason to "respect" Putin? Hell no.

But again, he's not wrong. There are a ton of people in power who do some pretty horrific things, including the US. I don't understand why anyone would be upset over what he said.

Why not? Respect Putin the way previous presidents were more than happy to respect Al Saud & Netanyahu. He just wants better relations with Russia, why is that so hard to swallow? The US is an ally to much worse regimes & countries.

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Insidb on 06 February 2017
Gourmet said:
The USA doesn't deserve this man.

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TheWPCTraveler on 06 February 2017
iron_megalith said:

There we fucking go.

And therefore Obama and all of his circle had no damn right to criticize the Philippines' war on drugs.

Where was the outrage when US bombed a hospital full of civilians?

Fucking hypocrits.

Oh and not to mention all these things going under UN's radar.

Ah, the firebombing of Serbia. I swear, the best thing to come out of that was the fact that an F-114 got shot down by an antique SAM from the 1950s.



 
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Zanten on 06 February 2017
Zkuq said:
Trump? Honest? He's occassionally honest, but he basically won the election by offering suspiciously easy solutions to difficult problems instead of uncomfortable truths. He's a manipulator who's mastered the art of bending the truth to his needs.

He's honest this time for sure (although I think he completely dodges the point), but characterizing him as 'completely honest' just couldn't be much further away from truth.

 

Basically this. o.O To say nothing from the fact that we're mere days past Kellyanne Conway's 'Bowling Green Massacre' lie that, if anything, might have actually been a more blatant 'WTF' moment than 'Obama Is The Founder Is ISIS.' Sure, I'd certainly agree the U.S. is by no means innocent- and doesn't look to start, under Trump's administration- but let's not get ahead of ourselves here by claiming he isn't, at best, driven by the same dishonesty as any other poltician. The only real difference is he's aimed that dishonesty towards his own narrative, not the typical Washington narrative.



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Mr Puggsly on 06 February 2017
LurkerJ said:
Mr Puggsly said:
The intents of US and Russia are objectively different. But Trump is right when he says US has made mistakes.

The same way Russia makes mistakes as well. The intents are objectively different, equally selfish, and identically evil. 

We don't believe Russia is making mistakes. Not identical.



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vivster on 07 February 2017

Is anyone surprised by this statement? That's exactly how he was elected. Not by rectifying your own mistakes but just pointing out that other people make mistakes too.



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