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Lawlight said:
Peh said:
Can we ban the word liberal, because it seems it is being used against everyone who is against trump even if someone just doesn't agree with his approach.

We should ban the word racist as it seems it is being haed against everyone who is not against Trump.

Ok. Ban both. Any more suggestions?



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Pemalite said:

 I think the point you missed is that... Mexico can start having stonger economic ties with other nations like Brazil in the face of decreasing ties with the US, not that they currently do.

Australia was already in that sphere of influence, have been for over a decade, now we are slowly backing away from it with better ties to the general Asia region.


The US backing out of the TPP did place a spanner in the works, but the current thinking is... That we might continue forward with it anyway, without the US.
Australia is in a position to be the "Food Bowl" of Asia, which could be worth Trillions.

I dont miss any point. U have said that Brazil+other Latin stuff can be a " bright spot" for Mexico and that's is simply not gonna happen. Other counteirs - of course yes. Still, USA accounts for over 80% of Mexico export and u cant switch it with no losses.

 

Yes, Asia is Australia's future if we talk about economic. In general the whole world's future is Asia. Asia led by united China, of course.



Lawlight said:
Pemalite said:

I think the point you missed is that... Mexico can start having stonger economic ties with other nations like Brazil in the face of decreasing ties with the US, not that they currently do.

Australia was already in that sphere of influence, have been for over a decade, now we are slowly backing away from it with better ties to the general Asia region.

The US backing out of the TPP did place a spanner in the works, but the current thinking is... That we might continue forward with it anyway, without the US.
Australia is in a position to be the "Food Bowl" of Asia, which could be worth Trillions.

Brazil isn't a very rich country.

There is more to wealth than how much GDP your country or an individual has.

You can have poor wages, but have a stupidly massive amount of natural resources that just needs the right foreign investment to accellerate growth.

Brazil is also a Potential Super Power.

KingofTrolls said:

I dont miss any point. U have said that Brazil+other Latin stuff can be a " bright spot" for Mexico and that's is simply not gonna happen. Other counteirs - of course yes. Still, USA accounts for over 80% of Mexico export and u cant switch it with no losses.

 

Yes, Asia is Australia's future if we talk about economic. In general the whole world's future is Asia. Asia led by united China, of course.

South America has a total GDP of US$3.205 trillion with a Growth rate of 2-6% with a total population of 422.5 million.

That is money that Mexico can compete for.
I'm not saying they should switch straight out, that would be impossible and stupid.
What they can do is Transition, keep the strong ties with the USA, but form strong ties to other nations as a counter, if the USA declines or tries to push you around you can leverage the ties you have with other nations as leverage, remember the world is bigger than the USA.

Converesly, the USA isn't going to be the worlds biggest super power and largest single economy forever, it will eventually be replaced by another country, may completely go bust, thousands of years of written history and no empire has lasted forever, China, India, Brazil could all replace it, who knows, it would be silly for Mexico to place all it's eggs in the American basket when it can keep those ties and form equally as strong ties with other nations.

Plus, it would be good to see Mexico increase it's Sphere of Influence, on the world stage it always seems like middle powers such as Canada, Norway, New Zealand, Australia etc' has more pull in international affairs than Mexico... Which is sad to see, there is some great culture over there that the world simply adores.




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BraLoD said:
Lawlight said:

Brazil isn't a very rich country.

It actually is, Brazil is the world's 9th biggest economy.

Brazilian population is nowhere near rich, though.

What's the point if the people are poor?



Pemalite said:

1.South America has a total GDP of US$3.205 trillion with a Growth rate of 2-6% with a total population of 422.5 million.

What they can do is Transition, keep the strong ties with the USA, but form strong ties to other nations as a counter, if the USA declines or tries to push you around you can leverage the ties you have with other nations as leverage, remember the world is bigger than the USA.

2.Converesly, the USA isn't going to be the worlds biggest super power and largest single economy forever, it will eventually be replaced by another country, may completely go bust, thousands of years of written history and no empire has lasted forever, China, India, Brazil could all replace it, who knows, it would be silly for Mexico to place all it's eggs in the American basket when it can keep those ties and form equally as strong ties with other nations.

3.Plus, it would be good to see Mexico increase it's Sphere of Influence

1. Sure, the problem is their economies produces generally the same stuff,are on the same level and there is simply no domestic capital to push thing forward.

Of course increase and diversify urs trade ties is absolute mandatory today and everybody is doing it. The problem is - if u are weaker than others, u see only blows from everywhere and there is no one to blame. USA's foreign investement in Mexico is over 30%, 2nd is China. Brazil ? Not in top 10.

2. Of course, USA sphere of influnce is faliing big time and - we  in Eastern Europe believe this at least - this is the true reason that Trump got elected.  USA want to bring good ol' time back.

3. Sadly, they are close to nothing if we talk about this. How can a country that is that big simply cant deal with its drug dealers, etc ?  How many womans are simply kidnapped in Juarez and nobody can fix it ?

Same problem plagued India for decades ( divided society, ancient laws weak goverment ) etc, and that's why everybody is talking about China, not India.

Moreover,they are - just like Canada - overshadowed by USA. With it's military and economic power, USA simply can " u sign here what we wrote there " politics..



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As I Brazilian, I can tell you how the route of taxing imported products to stimulate national production will go. Things will become expensive as hell. The cost of labor in the US is high, the minimum wage is to high. These taxes will only generate effects if they are high enough to make imported stuff more expensive than internal production.

Most cars is Brazil are produced nationally. Our popular cars are total crap and ridiculously overpriced. So, OK, you're saving the jobs of a few thousand workers, but millions of people can't buy decent cars due to high costs.

My only issue so far with him is the protectionism. Honestly, it isn't bad for my country (actually, it's good for everyone), since we can benefit if other countries become less interested in doing business with the US. But China may use the opportunity to finally steal the position of leading economy in the world.

Of course, Mr. Trump may just doing these stuff to please his voters a bit, basic demagogy. Let's wait and see if things will return to normal.



torok said:
But China may use the opportunity to finally steal the position of leading economy in the world

And they also have the bigger and longer wall. ;)



KingofTrolls said:

I dont miss any point. U have said that Brazil+other Latin stuff can be a " bright spot" for Mexico and that's is simply not gonna happen. Other counteirs - of course yes. Still, USA accounts for over 80% of Mexico export and u cant switch it with no losses.

Nobody said they won't have losses. That's why they won't shift their pollitics for no reason. If they get heft taxes on their products, it may be better to try to put these products in different markets. Latin countries will probably be a good market, it's quite big.

Right now, the taxes are lower to export to the US because of the trading deals, it's obvious that they will export more to the US. If Argentina removed all taxes from Mexico imports, they would account for a sizeable share pretty soon. If the US deals are gone, Mexico could negotiate bilateral deals with other countries.

Actually, the whole Latin America could be in much better shape if anyone followed what Chile is doing. They are doing freaking great, have tons of bilateral trading deals (much better than multi-country free trade regions like EU or Mercosul). They have a high degree of economic freedom and are exporting like crazy.



Conina said:

And they also have the bigger and longer wall. ;)

They should hire the Chinese to build the wall. At leat that one was pretty efficient when fighting Eurasian nomads, it would be a piece of cake to keep Mexicans away.

If I was Mexico, I would agree to build the wall and just push it forward and get California back. If Trump asked if the wall was in the worng place, Mexico could say: "No, it's 100% right. Los Angeles, San Francisco, it's all ours, even the name is in Spanish".



torok said:

1. Latin countries will probably be a good market, it's quite big.

2.Actually, the whole Latin America could be in much better shape if anyone followed what Chile is doing. They have a high degree of economic freedom and are exporting like crazy.

Well, the conclusion followed by this logic is  95% of world GDP shall be consumed in China/India/IndoChina/Africa region. It's not happening because in capitalism u have to get money to purchase.  Chinese Indian African Hispanisc etc people have simply not eunogh money to pay enough for imported goods. For example Poland - people here will purchase shittons of PS4, games,music etc but they simply dont have money to justify purchase.

2. Yes, Chile is very interesintg market to invest. I have watched webinar of Polish traders and they recommend ed inChile to invest. Kinda like Singapore.