I mean, I care about what you think and what you have to say and your giving actual examples but facts override opinions. I've covered in very clear form why the Master System was part of the 4th gen because it was literally called the SG-3000 in Japan, an upgraded console of the SG-2000. That's great that the Master System had specific games for it and a larger library than that of it's counterparts but SG-1000 and SG-2000 were both only in production for 1 year each whereas Master System was in production for over 10 years...

You can say the Master System has a "totally different identity" to the SG-1000/2000 but it's original name was SG-3000 so again, facts.

Can you give some examples - that relate to the Switch's situation - where a console manufacturer released another new platform in the same generation? I'm not saying you don't have one I just can't think of an example.

What Switch brings is a new primary way of gaming on their system, not just a simple added on function that only 0.5% of the consumer base use. It's not just creativity that counts it's the implementation of creativity as well as implementation of technology to garner one's vision, whatever one's vision may be. Sony's PSVita function with the PS3/PS4 is the same idea as the Switch but it's the implementation of said technology that vastly separates the two. I'm not saying that creativity is the only reason why a new gen starts but it seems to be how your understanding of my view is. Im simply pointing out that creativity can replace power to a point that breathes new ways of gaming and can be sold as such, hence why Nintendo is releasing the Switch with a new primary way of playing their games. Hence why Nintendo is kicking off the 9th generation.

The Wii launched with 14 year old technology in its Wii Motion Sensor and was barely twice the power of GC, yeah, what a technical leap! The Wii U to Switch on the other hand will be a bigger power gap than GC to Wii seeing as how the rumoured specs put the Switch to being much more powerful than Wii U.

So you would need to insert a gen because Atari 2600 and 5200 are inside the same gen... and as said by fat PS1-PS4 would be the same system because of naming?

Nope it isn't.

NVidia Shield, the chinese HH, PSVita/PSP is making the same... and as I said, unless you show anything done on Switch that is totally impossible in any 8th gen platform then maybe we can concede, but no technology in Switch so far is allowing new different games.

This one I have missed... please tell me more...

After the release of the SG-3000 - because it released as the SG-3000 - Sega then rebranded the SG-3000 as the Master System when launched world wide. SG-3000 and Master System are the same thing. That was my point. This is not even close to comparable to what Sony did with PS1-4. Sony didn't re-release the PS1 and then call it the PS2. You have got to be kidding me with how you guys are grasping at straws here. It's no longer fun discussing this, I mean how hard is it to understand?

Some aspects are the same, which I've agreed upon, but the implementation, execution, gameplay, are very different and much more complete since the gaming experience is built from the ground up to take advantage of the implementation. From a power aspect the 8th generation can do all of what Switch can do just like the 360 and PS3 can do anything that the Wii U could do (an 8th generation console). The Wii U can't run Zelda:BotW as well as Switch can. The Switch will be able to do 1080p gaming at 60FPS in alot more games than Wii U (does the Wii U even have any games that run 1080p 60FPS?). But the talk about processing power does not override the fact that the Switch is the successor to the Wii U just like the PS2 is the successor to the PS1 and so on...

The PS2 wasn't the successor to the PS1 simply because it was more powerful. And the Switch is definitely more powerful than the Wii U, just look at the Zelda: BotW comparison video and how much more detailed the Switch version is. Switch is obviously more powerful, to say otherwise is just acting ignorant.

It sort of went like this... Kowenicki proudly declared "Xbox One will usher in 8th gen!" (ignoring the Wii ), on account of earlier worldwide release.

Then someone - turkish i think, said "like no way PS4 came out U.S. a week earlier, haha".

Then Kowenicki fired back "Xbox One is the definitive 8th gen marker, bc china and japan don't matter -  they are '2nd world' countries".

Then some sony guy said "Japan virtually invented modern video games!" (ignoring crappy 1st/2nd gen). Kowenicki then got really angry "Look!  I decide who invents video games and who starts next generations. Not you, or anyone else. Arrrgghhhh!"

So is SG-1000, SG-2000 and SG-3000 the same system? Nope, not the same system with different names.

We already accepted that Switch is the sucessor to WiiU, what isn't accepted is that Switch would be 9th gen because of it. And you haven't brought to table what is the new things that they are bringing and what was impossible before. Saying Zelda BotW wouldn't play in 1080p60fps in WiiU (while it would with quite some easyness on PS4 or X1) doesn't make Switch a 9th gen console.

The Switch isn't a rebranding of a previous existing console. The Switch isn't an upgrade to a console released a year ago that was replaced a year before that! The Switch is the successor to Nintendo's previous console (a console that was on market for 4 years, same as OG Xbox), not a simple upgrade or rebranding. Please tell me how these facts amount to confirmation bias.

Using my logic you would find that the PS2 is the successor to the PS1 and the PS3 is the successor to PS2 and the PS4 is the successor to the PS3. These consoles having backwards compatibility has nothing to do with my arguement. Why are you giving me all this talk about backwards compatibility? I'm not even arguing that backwards compatibility defines a generation...

I agree that a new generation didn't just start with the WiiU and that it started together with the PS4 and the X1. Like I have stated before, there was a 3 year gap between Dreamcast and OG Xbox. Generation 6 start with the Dreamcast and 3 other competitors entered the market at different times. The OG Xbox was only on the market for 4 years, less time than Wii U. I mean come lol, these examples that you and Don have given me did nothing to stop previous consoles in previous generations from starting or being a part of a new generation. Why the sudden change?

Neither is the Master System but you don't see me arguing that it isn't a successor to the SG-1000 despite the clear differences in the library ... 

Your logic is nothing more than cognitive dissonance when it isn't even self consistent ... 

Why the sudden change you ask ? Weell maybe it's because the successor to PS4 and X1 aren't even on the horizon! Like I said before, it's not unprecedented to release a new platform in the same generation ... 

Because the Master System is an actual successor to the SG-1000 and not an upgrade as evidenced by it's library it serves an example for the future generation like the Switch ... 

Are you trying to imply that I'm not from the same generation as my grandfather even though we're the same height?