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Alkibiádēs on 26 January 2017

DonFerrari said:

Volterra_90 said:

Yep, the only next gen games it would play are Switch exclusives, so? When the PS4/One sucessors come, regardless of their power, new 9th gen games will be released with those consoles, there's nothing mysterious about it XD. And 9th gen will be PS5/X2/Switch. I agree that Nintendo "jumped" the release date a few years though, and that's kinda new. But that's nothing so groundbreaking to not call the Switch a 9th gen console.

And I don't understand the last question. I mean, I can ask you why not release a next gen console with a similar power? And we can be going forever in circles XD.

The point is the HW in Switch already isn't capable of playing the 3rd party games of gen 8th so calling it a gen 9th is crazy because it won't be playing any of the games PS5 and X2 get. So you can't say Switch is 9th gen but can only play Nintendo games.

If you won't advance the technology and the power of the system them in the next gen HW you'll be doing the same thing you were doing in the current gen, if so, what would be the point of releasing a new gen? in consoles new gens have been unleashed because the technical ceiling was hit for the games able to be developed for that gen hw and SW sales have started decreasing. If improving the HW wasn't a necessity we could still be on NES.

Then why have Lego Worlds, Steep, Project Sonic 2017, Yooka-Laylee and Dragon Quest XI all been confirmed for the Nintendo Switch? None of those games are on the PS3/XBOX360/Wii. Your argument makes little sense. The Wii didn't get a lot of third party games the PS3 & XBOX360 got either, but you still consider that part of the seventh generation.

The Nintendo Switch is an advancement in technology over its predecessor, not to mention that there are multiple ways a console can evolve outside of just more powerful hardware. Sony is actually doing the same thing they were doing last-gen when it comes to software, but with more powerful hardware. God of War 4 and Dreams seem to be doing radically different things compared to their predecessors, but that's about it. Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey will be completely different compared to their previous games, nobody can deny that. Games like Arms and 1-2 Switch weren't possible on the Wii U either. There's more difference between the Wii U/3DS and the Nintendo Switch than between the PS3 and PS4, so I don't really understand your complaint or logic at all.

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David_Hernandeez on 26 January 2017

They should be count separately, and also something are getting a little complicate because the PS4 Pro and Scorpio(this one especially, is going to be mostly completly different to XB1) Now if you considered Next Gen based on POWER then things have been wrong for so many years. It would be perfect to call each gen by company, Sony's 4th Gen, MS 3rd Gen, Nintendo 7th Gen, if not well just let it rest, switch is 9th gen.

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fatslob-:O on 26 January 2017

Gens are not defined by successive releases from a sole console manufacturer otherwise we'd already have more than the defined 8 generations. Generations are most likely defined with respect to how console manufacturers shift to a new hardware cycle in tandem with each other ...

The SG-1000 and the Master System are both in the same generation despite both having different game libraries but that doesn't mean 4th gen started with the Master System ...

That specific case sets a precedent for new generations to follow so it makes no sense to brand the Switch as 9th gen when every other console manufacturer hasn't started a new hardware cycle yet ...

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fatslob-:O said:
Gens are not defined by successive releases from a sole console manufacturer otherwise we'd already have more than the defined 8 generations. Generations are most likely defined with respect to how console manufacturers shift to a new hardware cycle in tandem with each other ...

The SG-1000 and the Master System are both in the same generation despite both having different game libraries but that doesn't mean 4th gen started with the Master System ...

That specific case sets a precedent for new generations to follow so it makes no sense to brand the Switch as 9th gen when every other console manufacturer hasn't started a new hardware cycle yet ...

Agree, with that the discusion is over well done.

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Alkibiádēs on 26 January 2017

fatslob-:O said:
Gens are not defined by successive releases from a sole console manufacturer otherwise we'd already have more than the defined 8 generations. Generations are most likely defined with respect to how console manufacturers shift to a new hardware cycle in tandem with each other ...

The SG-1000 and the Master System are both in the same generation despite both having different game libraries but that doesn't mean 4th gen started with the Master System ...

That specific case sets a precedent for new generations to follow so it makes no sense to brand the Switch as 9th gen when every other console manufacturer hasn't started a new hardware cycle yet ...

That's because the SG-1000 was only released in Japan and was a commercial failure (even the Wii U is a huge success compared to it, lol).

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bunchanumbers on 26 January 2017

Tough to call it a 9th gen system when AAA devs are porting their 7th gen games to it.

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A_C_E on 26 January 2017

fatslob-:O said:
Gens are not defined by successive releases from a sole console manufacturer otherwise we'd already have more than the defined 8 generations. Generations are most likely defined with respect to how console manufacturers shift to a new hardware cycle in tandem with each other ...

The SG-1000 and the Master System are both in the same generation despite both having different game libraries but that doesn't mean 4th gen started with the Master System ...

That specific case sets a precedent for new generations to follow so it makes no sense to brand the Switch as 9th gen when every other console manufacturer hasn't started a new hardware cycle yet ...

The SG-1000 came out summer of 1983 and was discontinued at the same time SG-2000 released exactly one year later in July 1984. In July 1985 (exactly one year after SG-2000 released) they discontinued it at the same time as they released what was SG-3000 in Japan but was rebranded as the Master System. The Master System - just like the SG-2000/PS4 Pro - is an upgrade to the SG-2000 and THAT is why Master System didn't start the 4th generation.

There is a completely different picture being painted with the Switch considering it's an actual successor not just a rebranding of a previous console.

Although I have to agree with your point that generations are defined with respect to how console manufacturers shift to a new hardware cycle in tandem with each other. Here's the problem with your sentiment that the Switch can't be 9th gen. The Sega Dreamcast launched the 6th generation in November 1998 yet the Xbox didn't release until November 2001. That's a 3 year gap between consoles in the same generation which means we have until March 2020 for a PS5/Nextbox.

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fatslob-:O on 26 January 2017

Alkibiádēs said:

That's because the SG-1000 was only released in Japan and was a commercial failure (even the Wii U is a huge success compared to it, lol).

You're grasping at straws ...

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The SG-1000 came out summer of 1983 and was discontinued at the same time SG-2000 released exactly one year later in July 1984. In July 1985 (exactly one year after SG-2000 released) they discontinued it at the same time as they released what was SG-3000 in Japan but was rebranded as the Master System. The Master System - just like the SG-2000/PS4 Pro - is an upgrade to the SG-2000 and THAT is why Master System didn't start the 4th generation.

There is a completely different picture being painted with the Switch considering it's an actual successor not just a rebranding of a previous console.

Although I have to agree with your point that generations are defined with respect to how console manufacturers shift to a new hardware cycle in tandem with each other. Here's the problem with your sentiment that the Switch can't be 9th gen. The Sega Dreamcast launched the 6th generation in November 1998 yet the Xbox didn't release until November 2001. That's a 3 year gap between consoles in the same generation which means we have until March 2020 for a PS5/Nextbox.

The Master System doesn't even set an example for the PS4 Pro when the new sega system has a huge rift in terms of access to content compared to the old sega system. In fact the Master System had it's own extensive library enough to practically deem it as a new platform altogether compared to what Sony or Microsoft is doing with mid gen upgrades ... (Master System specific games outnumbered the SG-1000 games!)

Backwards compatibility doesn't change the fact that the new system has a totally different identity compared to the old system. Just like how nobody would argue that the PS3 is a mid gen upgrade in comparison to PS2 because it features backwards compatibility ...

I'm well aware of overlaps in terms of release cycle but there is an algorithmic way to group these platforms altogether but my point is that it ISN'T unprecedented for console manufacturers to release another new platform in the same generation ...