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pokoko on 24 January 2017
Slade6alpha said:
pokoko said:

I'm not sure I understand.  Those count but not Alienation?  Bloodborne?  Bound, Driveclub, Fat Princess?  Gran Turismo?  Gravity Rush?  HotShots Golf?  MLB: The Show?  Nioh?  Dead Nation?  LBP, Resogun, Super Stardust?  Helldivers?

Yeah, it's a misleading argument that only works if you close one eye and pretend.

Well I was just adding that because the other guy added Dragon quest, and Ni No Kuni, but whatever. Pretty sure MS owns Ori though... so...

I only mentioned games published by Sony, most of which are owned by them, as well.  

The OP is just using a misleading argument from the start.

1 - Offer a premise.

2 - List examples that support your argument.

3 - Omit examples that do not support your argument.



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Intrinsic on 24 January 2017
Turkish said:
Dunno, there's too few games coming from MS 1st party to judge them. I think there's only like 3 franchises they do anymore, 1 is a car game, the other 2 don't seem less cinematic than Uncharted or Killzone.

I think the library of Sony is so big you can make a claim that they do gameplay, cinematic and artsy titles all at once. They just have so many games. It's unfair to compare them.

Exactly, its easy to make this argument if you just pretend all the other games that disputes the claim don't exist.

In truth, I think if some people actually took the time to look at the amount of games and new IPs sony actually makes they would at least be very impressed. 

Just this gen alone sony has 8 NEW IPs that we know of or have been released..... and I only counted the full retail games and none of the digital only titles. And at least three of that eigth stand to become a new franchise. and i didn't add their already existing and continuing franchises.

And all those games span the spectrum of sony variety ranging from story focused to gameplay focused.

But yet we compare this to MS?



badgenome on 24 January 2017
VAMatt said:

I think this is largely true across all platforms and all  AAA developers.  Games are *mostly* the same as the games that came before.  That's natural.  Huge money is spent making most big games.  Risks, such as trying unproven mechanics or genres, are very difficult to justify.  Many millions can be lost if things don't work out as hoped.

To a degree, sure, but Sony really likes to choose those super long, cinematic sequences like the hunting scene from GOW or the Uncharted one with Chloe in Derkaderkastan from PSX recently. It always gives me an overwhelming sense of deja vu.



Intrinsic on 24 January 2017

I just find this thread extremely misleading.

I don't think there is any way anyone can reasonably compare sony first/second party to that of MS. Nintendo Maybe, but definitely not MS.



Intrinsic on 24 January 2017
badgenome said:
VAMatt said:

I think this is largely true across all platforms and all  AAA developers.  Games are *mostly* the same as the games that came before.  That's natural.  Huge money is spent making most big games.  Risks, such as trying unproven mechanics or genres, are very difficult to justify.  Many millions can be lost if things don't work out as hoped.

To a degree, sure, but Sony really likes to choose those super long, cinematic sequences like the hunting scene from GOW or the Uncharted one with Chloe in Derkaderkastan from PSX recently. It always gives me an overwhelming sense of deja vu.

Its just funny you say that.... and its really talk like that that makes me think people like you aren't really being honest.

The first time sony showed uncharted 4 was in a under one minute teaser. The first time the showed it proper was at PSX in a 12min full on gameplay session with no cinematics.

The first time Horizon was revealed it too was all gameplay. High intense gameplay at that and no cinematics. 

same with bloodborne. 

Same with days gone.

same with teh last guardian......

 

but yh, pick that one or two singular incidents and ignore all the rest.



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Goatseye on 24 January 2017
Intrinsic said:
badgenome said:

Off the top of my head it seems like Uncharted has had very little real platforming. Holding the stick toward the next ledge and pushing a button to move to it is really just a more complicated version of walking.

The fact that you even have ledges to jump to or from or there is even jumping at all and that the game generally has some verticality to it is still way more "gameplay" than you would  find in Gears.... which is the closest thing to uncharted on the MS side of things.

Is this a joke or what? UC3 had a sh*tty aim mechanic for an action game, which just tells me its shooting and "action" is an after thought for the series.



badgenome on 24 January 2017
Intrinsic said:

Its just funny you say that.... and its really talk like that that makes me think people like you aren't really being honest.

My memory might be skewed, but I can assure you I'm being honest.

I'm not saying they only do those kinds of reveals, but they do really like that particular sort of reveal roughly as much as I hate it. And it has a way of making games that are pretty different look deceptively similar.



mountaindewslave on 24 January 2017

their first party aren't remotely similar and Microsoft first party makes like ONE type of game (shooters). I don't see in any respect how Microsoft's first party game offerings are any more 'gameplay' dedicated than, say, Sony

also Nintendo's first party is infinitely better than Microsoft's so I don't like any sort of comparison.

Microsoft doesn't even come close to Sony as far as 1st party is concerned and Sony doesn't have that incredible of first party offerings either 



Goatseye on 24 January 2017
mountaindewslave said:

their first party aren't remotely similar and Microsoft first party makes like ONE type of game (shooters). I don't see in any respect how Microsoft's first party game offerings are any more 'gameplay' dedicated than, say, Sony

also Nintendo's first party is infinitely better than Microsoft's so I don't like any sort of comparison.

Microsoft doesn't even come close to Sony as far as 1st party is concerned and Sony doesn't have that incredible of first party offerings either 

What FPS from Nintendo can you compare qualitatively to MS's?

Circuit Racing? Open World Racing? How about RTS? 



Ali_16x on 24 January 2017
Snoopy said:
pokoko said:

It's pretty obvious what he's doing.  He's cherry-picking examples that only benefit his agenda and ignoring that Sony has plenty of both types while Microsoft lags behind in total games.  Is Resogun cinematic?  Is Driveclub cinematic?  His argument is poor.

See, thats what I mean. When Sony does aim for gameplay center game, it usually not too great this generation. Driveclub was terrible. I thought bloodborne was great however. Now sony big games are going for that cinematic experience. Look at new GOW trailer. It was litterally kratos going down a narrow path and press x to continue. 

Lol wow this shit again, how are you still on this forum? All you're going by is metacritic, Driveclub has been fixed and it's amazing. You haven't even played and you continue to ignore the fact that it was fixed. And it wasn't the gameplay that was wrong with Driveclub, it was the online. And as pokoko, Sony has a bunch of non cinematic games. And aren't Halo and Gears games ment to be cinematic? What does that leave for Microsoft? Forza?



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