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fordy on 18 January 2017
Veknoid_Outcast said:
fordy said:

7th time....Statistics. Read above.

Can you quote me some empirical evidence that supports your argument? I'd be more than happy to entertain it. Show me with numbers how selling games on PC, PS4, and XOne (and paying royalties) would offset selling hardware, accessories and controllers (typically the items with the largest markup), and games just on Nintendo hardware, plus all the royalties, plus fees for online subscriptions, plus virtual console sales.

And then show me how selling as a third party would help the quality and diversity of Nintendo's software output, when we have clear examples in Sega and Atari of the opposite happening. And then tell me how any of this benefits a company fiercely dedicated to setting its own rules and going its own way.

Nintendo are pretty secret on their numbers between discernable hardware and software, but think about this, hardware is usually gauged by how many units of software would be needed in order to break even. What would you say is a reasonable amount of software sales profit to match a console sales profit. Controller? etc.

Selling as a third party doesn't have to have any impact on software quality, it merely opens up the potential sales. I already mentioned that Sega were in dire straits when they went 3rd party. The company was near bankrupt, and talent had either left or were leaving. In Atari's case, the talent was long gone way before they went 3rd party.

Nintendo have a healthy amount in the bank now, and as you can see, they are measuring their options. Pokemon Go and Mario Run didn't just happen under coincidence. If they wait until they are bankrupt, they will fall into a similar fate as Sega did.



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Kerotan on 18 January 2017
tak13 said:
Kerotan said:

I stopped reading after the personal insult in the first line.  I run my own company,  I'm self employed and there have been days of my life where my earnings were literally $1000 for a single day.  

 

So think before you claim I've no business knowledge next time.  You can say what you want but it ain't changing my opinion.  Nintendo are better off as a third party developer.  Better for the fans and better for their profits. 

Insult? I said you may not have. not that you don't have! I'm a careful person and how is that offensive? I said that you many not have knowlegde about something, simply as that, didn't call you with a bad word! However, still we're not about same things...

 

Even if they analysis says otherwise?

Anyway, next time I will be discussing with people that accompany their suggestion with arguments and have made a research! ( FORUM RULES )

Lol how many times have you ran off saying you won't talk to me again.  Yet time and time again you can't resist and hit that quote button. 



Hapuc12 on 18 January 2017

Another thread about this.

People want Nintendo to stop making money,from there own hardware,stop making 100% from there own software,stop making from accessories stop making from amibos(they would have to stop production with that) stop making money from third party games that Nintendo will get about 30-40% profit.

So they could go third party on a chance that they will make some money,because they make 10-12(Smaller games few of them are big budget) games yearly and they would get money only from that if they were third party and not make nearly as enough if they were first party.

Give me a break.



potato_hamster on 18 January 2017
mountaindewslave said:

They claim that the handheld market is dead (absurd, the 3DS is selling quite well, in fact it sold better in 2016 than 2015, despite being 5 years old), they claim that the Switch is SPECIFICALLY the 3DS successor (when its the successor to both the Wii U and 3DS, its a combination hybrid),

That's curious.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/262074/worldwide-sales-of-the-nintendo-3ds-since-2004/

Now this chart only goes up to FY 16 (which ended March 16), but its total is 58.9M, which means, assuming vgchartz is correct and its total before black friday is correct, the platform has done 61.6 million total up to Black Friday, or 2.7 million between April 1 2016 and November 26th 2016 . So unless you're willing to argue that the 3DS sold or will sell 4.2 million units between Black Friday, and March 17, with the release of the Switch 3 months from now, then no, you're dead wrong.




potato_hamster on 18 January 2017
Hapuc12 said:
Another thread about this.

People want Nintendo to stop making money,from there own hardware,stop making 100% from there own software,stop making from accessories stop making from amibos(they would have to stop production with that) stop making money from third party games that Nintendo will get about 30-40% profit.

So they could go third party on a chance that they will make some money,because they make 10-12(Smaller games few of them are big budget) games yearly and they would get money only from that if they were third party and not make nearly as enough if they were first party.

Give me a break.

Assuming they did go third party, why would they have to stop making accessories or Amiibos I have said for a long time that an incredible 3DS successor would be an clam-shell design smart phone case with legit video game controls. It could even accept 3DS (or switch) cartridges.  This case could easily be compatible with Amiibo, and they could probably charge a premium for it.



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Puppyroach on 18 January 2017
fordy said:
Puppyroach said:

What does that have to do with being excited for a console? If it´s not succesful, I wouldn´t be happy about it, but it wouldn´t take away the excitment I feel for the console.

I understand, but I guess the point I was trying to make was would the Switch be as exciting if it was just Nintendo's games on it?

Indeed I would, but even more excited with some unique 3rd party games as well :).



Hapuc12 on 18 January 2017
potato_hamster said:
Hapuc12 said:
Another thread about this.

People want Nintendo to stop making money,from there own hardware,stop making 100% from there own software,stop making from accessories stop making from amibos(they would have to stop production with that) stop making money from third party games that Nintendo will get about 30-40% profit.

So they could go third party on a chance that they will make some money,because they make 10-12(Smaller games few of them are big budget) games yearly and they would get money only from that if they were third party and not make nearly as enough if they were first party.

Give me a break.

Assuming they did go third party, why would they have to stop making accessories or Amiibos I have said for a long time that an incredible 3DS successor would be an clam-shell design smart phone case with legit video game controls. It could even accept 3DS (or switch) cartridges.  This case could easily be compatible with Amiibo, and they could probably charge a premium for it.

Well if they went third party they would need to fire a lot of people to cover the costs and they would need to shut down few sectors and amibos came to my mind.

And if they went third party they would have to go all our or they will keep all there games on that handheld to support it so they still would be first party.

And i don't want them to go third party because i don't like Sony monopilzing the market even if i'm a Sony fanboy.



fordy on 18 January 2017
Hapuc12 said:
Another thread about this.

People want Nintendo to stop making money,from there own hardware,stop making 100% from there own software,stop making from accessories stop making from amibos(they would have to stop production with that) stop making money from third party games that Nintendo will get about 30-40% profit.

So they could go third party on a chance that they will make some money,because they make 10-12(Smaller games few of them are big budget) games yearly and they would get money only from that if they were third party and not make nearly as enough if they were first party.

Give me a break.

Everything that you have mentioned has already been debunked in this thread. truth be told, it's people cheering for Nintendo to stay the course that is doing Nintendo the most damage.



Hapuc12 on 18 January 2017
fordy said:
Hapuc12 said:
Another thread about this.

People want Nintendo to stop making money,from there own hardware,stop making 100% from there own software,stop making from accessories stop making from amibos(they would have to stop production with that) stop making money from third party games that Nintendo will get about 30-40% profit.

So they could go third party on a chance that they will make some money,because they make 10-12(Smaller games few of them are big budget) games yearly and they would get money only from that if they were third party and not make nearly as enough if they were first party.

Give me a break.

Everything that you have mentioned has already been debunked in this thread. truth be told, it's people cheering for Nintendo to stay the course that is doing Nintendo the most damage.

No it wasn't that's just the way it is ,just because Nintendo has 5bil in bank they could transition easier you can't be serious even for a second and you say you are a old gamer yet you can't understand simple competition heh.

You should know who had the monopoly in 90s and then got destroyed mid to end and created a boom in gaming then we know what happened with ps2 best selling console of all time what happened with PS3 we all know that,Wii such a cool machine and sold 105 mill then what happened with Wii U.

But you know it's stupid for Nintendo to try to take a different approach then Sony and Microsoft it's so so stupid.



potato_hamster on 18 January 2017
Hapuc12 said:
potato_hamster said:

Assuming they did go third party, why would they have to stop making accessories or Amiibos I have said for a long time that an incredible 3DS successor would be an clam-shell design smart phone case with legit video game controls. It could even accept 3DS (or switch) cartridges.  This case could easily be compatible with Amiibo, and they could probably charge a premium for it.

Well if they went third party they would need to fire a lot of people to cover the costs and they would need to shut down few sectors and amibos came to my mind.

And if they went third party they would have to go all our or they will keep all there games on that handheld to support it so they still would be first party.

And i don't want them to go third party because i don't like Sony monopilzing the market even if i'm a Sony fanboy.

you know... they could lay off a large chunk of their hardware development division if they decided they weren't going to make hardware any more. There's no reason why their software development or accessory development divisions would be affected, as they would still be making games, and accesories.

Now if you want to call a case that does little to no processing itself, where its more or less a controller that may or may not be able to read data from a cartridge a "handheld" well be my guest, but it doesn't take much in my books. The case would still be able to be used as a controller for smartphone apps.