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Veknoid_Outcast on 25 December 2016

Dear lord I've never seen so many stereotypes and generalizations in a single thread. There are great combat systems in both Western and Japanese games. Of course it helps that Platinum, the best in the hack 'n slash business, calls Japan home. But if you look in the right places you can find what you're looking for in Europe, North America, or Japan.

These dichotomies are so tiresome. Let's have some nuance.



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Acevil on 25 December 2016
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Dear lord I've never seen so many stereotypes and generalizations in a single thread. There are great combat systems in both Western and Japanese games. Of course it helps that Platinum, the best in the hack 'n slash business, calls Japan home. But if you look in the right places you can find what you're looking for in Europe, North America, or Japan.

These dichotomies are so tiresome. Let's have some nuance.

I personally love the Witcher 3 has no story comment, it is the greatest comment on the internet. 



 

m_csquare on 25 December 2016

If you've played enough games, it's always been like this. Japan did arpg better, while western did turn based better



Davman on 25 December 2016

I am not sure this is a western/japanese comparison.
Platinum has created the masterpiece Bayonetta and even though i am not a hack 'n' slash fan , i consider it one of the best games I have ever played.



hershel_layton on 25 December 2016
Libara said:
Western combat is usually more strategic and requires more skill/forethought whereas Japanese games usually have combat that just requires button mashing.

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The difference between a game like The Witcher and other Western RPG's is that you won't be seeing them flying across the room with kawaii dresses and magical powers. 



 

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hershel_layton on 25 December 2016
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Dear lord I've never seen so many stereotypes and generalizations in a single thread. There are great combat systems in both Western and Japanese games. Of course it helps that Platinum, the best in the hack 'n slash business, calls Japan home. But if you look in the right places you can find what you're looking for in Europe, North America, or Japan.

These dichotomies are so tiresome. Let's have some nuance.

Personally I like both slow and hack-and-slash combat styles. Don't see why there should be hate for either



 

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Intrinsic on 25 December 2016
Libara said:
Western combat is usually more strategic and requires more skill/forethought whereas Japanese games usually have combat that just requires button mashing.

Wait what?

Ninja Gaiden, Devil may cry, Bayonetta, Metal gear rising, Zone of the enders, shinobi.........

button mashing?

Strategic I could give you.... but thatsmore because western combat systems seem to think bombarding you with complex systems to micromange is the same as having depth......

but japanese combat systems are usually purely based on skill. the depth comes from how good you are.

Only western game that has a respectable combat system is God of War and maybe prince of persia.



pokoko on 25 December 2016

I don't understand. Why would one type of game need to be like a different type of game?



Trunkin on 25 December 2016
KingofTrolls said:
Trunkin said:

Yikes! Either that dude is playing on easy/normal or my build was horribly inefficient. The game got easier near the end, but not THAT easy.

No, i played TW3 with almost all builds and its always like this. Even last boss was boring to kill :(

Geralt has WAY too many advantages in comparison to his enemies, they are basically defendless children if u only know what is hiding in the grass. Super fast,super manouver, super strenght, a lot of long range area skills, stuns blinds etc. A friend of mine has finished TW3 without magic, he just outmanouver enemies all the time. it looks so bad and stupid.

Sounds to me like what you're describing is a player who has gotten really good at the game. There  are plenty of people who blast through Ninja Gaiden and Battletoads, but that doesn't mean those games are easy or poorly designed.

I will concede that the witcher has balancing issues, eee specially when it comes to magic, but its still some of the most fun I've had with combat in a 3d game.



LipeJJ on 25 December 2016
Trunkin said:
I really didn't think the combat in phe Witcher 3 was all that different from Dark Souls. Combat doesn't have to look flashy to be intensely satisfying and rewarding. More Automata is a Platinum game, and therefore an entirely different animal.

Care to elaborate?



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