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Turkish on 26 December 2016
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Dear lord I've never seen so many stereotypes and generalizations in a single thread. There are great combat systems in both Western and Japanese games. Of course it helps that Platinum, the best in the hack 'n slash business, calls Japan home. But if you look in the right places you can find what you're looking for in Europe, North America, or Japan.

These dichotomies are so tiresome. Let's have some nuance.

People saying "there's great stuff from both side of the ocean", the whole point of my thread is to disagree with that notion when it comes to sword/melee based combat. I compare the best the West has got with the best Japan has got, mano a mano. I'm here to tell you the biggest stuff from the West barely rises above its B-tier janky games, while the best Japanese stuff rises head and shoulders above its Compile Heart&co jank. Sure there's maybe been 1 or 2 decent sword/melee based combat from the West, but the majority is mediocre and doesn't change the fact that W3's combat is barely better than a game like Bound by Flame.

S.T.A.G.E. said:
Turkish said:

For any sword/melee based combat, even the best the West has to offer (thinking Witcher 3, Skyrim, AssCreed etc) have combat which just feel awful and not much better than the worst euro jank stuff. They're not better than games like Lords of Fallen, Bound By Flame or Piranha Byte games etc.

I mean you look 10 seconds at this https://youtu.be/tpjc5j_FT4A?t=338

and then compare it with Witcher 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5pycqmx0ec

and you're not gonna say the latter is that much better, or even that much different at all in terms of style.

but compare them to Nier Automata https://youtu.be/19c94qHANlc?t=958

and there's a clear difference.

Combat from Western games feel recycled from each other, even the prototype of the cancelled Flash game looked like the same scripted and automated combat I've seen a dozen times.

Altough they've mastered the FPS and TPS I think Western devs need a lesson in sword based/melee combat mechanics and philosophy from the top devs in Japan.

Why are you comparing action RPG's to an Action hack n slash ? Thats like saying RPG's and Arcade games should be played in the same fashion. Platinum has never made an action rpg, so we shall see how platinum handles this Scalebound. I think what you mean to say is that you prefer  arcade style hack n slash/ beat em up style gameplay to action rpg's.

Because I'm not comparing action RPGs to a hack n slash? Nier Automata is ARPG too. It looks so good it looks like hack n slash.

W3 would be infitely more fun if it had the combat system of any big Japanese games in the RPG genre (Dragons Dogma, Bloodborne, Nier:A, Nioh etc)

W3 even got the handling of the horse wrong, Roach controls like a mofukin tank!



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KingofTrolls on 26 December 2016
Trunkin said:

I will concede that the witcher has balancing issues, eee specially when it comes to magic, but its still some of the most fun I've had with combat in a 3d game.

Well, Geralt is superb-imba killer from the beginning, it's based on the story/universum so I can understand it, and yes, combat is fun, u have a lot of moves up in your slevee and u can experiment with skills etc, all i want is to make enemies a bit harder, thats all. Make the combat challening gamer if he/she wants to. Hearths of Stone is an step in the right direction.



HollyGamer on 26 December 2016
BraLoD said:
Goodnightmoon said:
Glad I'm not the only one that thinks combat on Witcher 3 is just lame.

That's why it's not on my most wanted list.

The game looks gorgeous, full of life, and content packed to the top... but it looks just plain boring.

If they step up their game with the combat then it would be deserving of all the love it gets.

That's not only problem of Western games, Scalebound is the same, looks great but the combat looks underwhelming boring.

Nier combat looks great! But the world looks boring, tho... XP

That's why Nioh and Horizon are so much higher on my most wanted list, they seem to have the whole packed, like the Souls series.

Yeah the same with u, i bhought the games only for admiring the environtment and the graphic, i am never finish the games. 



Goodnightmoon on 26 December 2016
Kerotan said:
This is definitely one of the best console exclusives of 2017. Super addition to the awesome line up. A very unique title by today's standards.

You came here exclusively to remark that this is a Ps4 exclusive (even when it isn't), you give 2 shits about the combat or the topic and probably you are not getting this game at all but is a console exclusive and everyone needs to know it, honestly comments like this says a lot about you.



Torillian on 26 December 2016
Goodnightmoon said:
Kerotan said:
This is definitely one of the best console exclusives of 2017. Super addition to the awesome line up. A very unique title by today's standards.

You came here exclusively to remark that this is a Ps4 exclusive (even when it isn't), you give 2 shits about the combat or the topic and probably you are not getting this game at all but is a console exclusive and everyone needs to know it, honestly comments like this says a lot about you.

Yeah, how horrible of him to try and trick people into thinking this wasn't a console exclusive......



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Goodnightmoon on 26 December 2016

 

Torillian said:
Goodnightmoon said:

You came here exclusively to remark that this is a Ps4 exclusive (even when it isn't), you give 2 shits about the combat or the topic and probably you are not getting this game at all but is a console exclusive and everyone needs to know it, honestly comments like this says a lot about you.

Yeah, how horrible of him to try and trick people into thinking this wasn't a console exclusive......

You didn't understand what I meant at all.



Spade on 26 December 2016
Torillian said:
Goodnightmoon said:

You came here exclusively to remark that this is a Ps4 exclusive (even when it isn't), you give 2 shits about the combat or the topic and probably you are not getting this game at all but is a console exclusive and everyone needs to know it, honestly comments like this says a lot about you.

Yeah, how horrible of him to try and trick people into thinking this wasn't a console exclusive......

I don't think you understood what he was saying. He came into the thread, simply to state "console exclusive," and to advertise PS4... 



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Chazore on 26 December 2016
Torillian said:
Goodnightmoon said:

You came here exclusively to remark that this is a Ps4 exclusive (even when it isn't), you give 2 shits about the combat or the topic and probably you are not getting this game at all but is a console exclusive and everyone needs to know it, honestly comments like this says a lot about you.

Yeah, how horrible of him to try and trick people into thinking this wasn't a console exclusive......

Yeah, except we already know it is...

 

We also don't need to constantly hear over and over and over again, on how said game is exclusive and how said lineup is "amazing". I see this all too frequently from a few users on here, that it goes to acting like a parakeet. What is known for this game in terms of it's console exclusivity, doesn't need to be repeated for the upteenth time. It adds nothing of any value to the topic either. The topic is strictly about Western games, combat and hack n' slash talk, not how amazing some lineup is (that we keep hearing over and over again) and how it's a console exclusive game.



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Kerotan on 26 December 2016
Torillian said:
Goodnightmoon said:

You came here exclusively to remark that this is a Ps4 exclusive (even when it isn't), you give 2 shits about the combat or the topic and probably you are not getting this game at all but is a console exclusive and everyone needs to know it, honestly comments like this says a lot about you.

Yeah, how horrible of him to try and trick people into thinking this wasn't a console exclusive......

Lol exactly.  Those damn frogs,  always so evil!  :P xD



Spade on 26 December 2016
Goodnightmoon said:
Kerotan said:
This is definitely one of the best console exclusives of 2017. Super addition to the awesome line up. A very unique title by today's standards.

You came here exclusively to remark that this is a Ps4 exclusive (even when it isn't), you give 2 shits about the combat or the topic and probably you are not getting this game at all but is a console exclusive and everyone needs to know it, honestly comments like this says a lot about you.

Pretty much this. It's a known pattern. Like what was the point in even mentioning "console exclusive," so transparent. Would be like seeing an Xbox thread and posting console exclusive every time it comes up. 



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