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etking said:
Soundwave said:

Lots devs has PS3/360 engines you know. Those can likely easily port to the Switch.

No you cannot easily port PS3 / PS4 / X1 / 360 games. Because they are not running on ARM architecture so you have to completely rewrite huge parts of the engine. And the ultra low power Switch CPU is much slower than these 4 CPU's are. ARM is extremely weak in CPU performance, this is a proven fact and no wonder can change that.

But you can port Android / IOS games because they are already written for ARM.

x86 is easy to port to ARM.

 You just recompile the code.



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setsunatenshi said:
Miyamotoo said:

Intention of commercial was that show that Skyrim is running on Switch, and they done that even in reality did not run. Again, whats a point of showing 3rd party game runing on new Nintendo console if that game is not 100% coming on that console!? Nintendo definitely wouldn't show 3rd game running on their console if they are not sure that game is coming.

So we have Skyrim at Switch reveal trailer that showing Skyrim running on Switch, we have Bethesda saying that they supporting Switch, and at end we have confirmation from them that Skyrim is coming to Switch, but you are open mind!?

Dark Souls 3 is totally different matter, rumour saying that is running on Switch hardware and that From Software is considering to release it.

It's not strange to you that a few months before the release of the Switch they had no actual footage of the game actually playing on it? Do you really think the game if it actually exists on the Switch will look anything like the bullshots we've seen on the montage?

Again, it's no skin off my back, if it indeed becomes a Switch game, cool. I just remain unconvinced until I can actually see it. I remember FF vs XIII also appearing in PS3 promos and we all know how it ended up right?

So yeah, I've got an open mind on it, I'm ready to be convinced when actual footage of the game comes up, not with mock videos, sorry.

Of Course not, we don't even have for Nintendo games, and that's because Nintendo is holding anausments and Switch games for Switch event in January. I dont pay too much attention how games looked in Switch video.

Well than you can also doubt about MK, Splatoon and new Mario on Switch also.



Miyamotoo said:
setsunatenshi said:

It's not strange to you that a few months before the release of the Switch they had no actual footage of the game actually playing on it? Do you really think the game if it actually exists on the Switch will look anything like the bullshots we've seen on the montage?

Again, it's no skin off my back, if it indeed becomes a Switch game, cool. I just remain unconvinced until I can actually see it. I remember FF vs XIII also appearing in PS3 promos and we all know how it ended up right?

So yeah, I've got an open mind on it, I'm ready to be convinced when actual footage of the game comes up, not with mock videos, sorry.

Of Course not, we don't even have for Nintendo games, and that's because Nintendo is holding anausments and Switch games for Switch event in January. I dont pay too much attention how games looked in Switch video.

Well than you can also doubt about MK, Splatoon and new Mario on Switch also.

That's a terrible analogy, of course Nintendo are going to support their own platform. 3rd party support is much less obvious and can't be taken for granted. I would imagine that any modern gamer with a decent amount of insight would have learned how the industry works by now.



Mummelmann said:
Miyamotoo said:

Of Course not, we don't even have for Nintendo games, and that's because Nintendo is holding anausments and Switch games for Switch event in January. I dont pay too much attention how games looked in Switch video.

Well than you can also doubt about MK, Splatoon and new Mario on Switch also.

That's a terrible analogy, of course Nintendo are going to support their own platform. 3rd party support is much less obvious and can't be taken for granted. I would imagine that any modern gamer with a decent amount of insight would have learned how the industry works by now.

 

It seems you came late to a party, he saying he still dobuts about Skyrim, even what would be point of showing 3rd party game runing on new Nintendo console if that game is not 100% coming on that console!? Nintendo definitely wouldn't show 3rd game running on their console if they are not sure that game is coming. So we have Skyrim at Switch reveal trailer that showing Skyrim running on Switch, we have Bethesda saying that they supporting Switch, and at end we have confirmation from them that Skyrim is coming to Switch, and he still doubt about Skryim on Switch.



Miyamotoo said:
setsunatenshi said:

It's not strange to you that a few months before the release of the Switch they had no actual footage of the game actually playing on it? Do you really think the game if it actually exists on the Switch will look anything like the bullshots we've seen on the montage?

Again, it's no skin off my back, if it indeed becomes a Switch game, cool. I just remain unconvinced until I can actually see it. I remember FF vs XIII also appearing in PS3 promos and we all know how it ended up right?

So yeah, I've got an open mind on it, I'm ready to be convinced when actual footage of the game comes up, not with mock videos, sorry.

Of Course not, we don't even have for Nintendo games, and that's because Nintendo is holding anausments and Switch games for Switch event in January. I dont pay too much attention how games looked in Switch video.

Well than you can also doubt about MK, Splatoon and new Mario on Switch also.

I'm pretty sure we've seen Zelda playable, some 3D Mario and some sort of Mario Kart on what appeared to be playable form. We have not seen the same for Skyrim. Besides, as it was pointed previously, I'm not doubting Nintendo will support their own console, I'm only unconvinced Skyrim will be coming to it (and I'm obviously talking about the current remaster, not a port of the PS3 one)



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Miyamotoo said:
Mummelmann said:

That's a terrible analogy, of course Nintendo are going to support their own platform. 3rd party support is much less obvious and can't be taken for granted. I would imagine that any modern gamer with a decent amount of insight would have learned how the industry works by now.

 

It seems you came late to a party, he saying he still dobuts about Skyrim, even what would be point of showing 3rd party game runing on new Nintendo console if that game is not 100% coming on that console!? Nintendo definitely wouldn't show 3rd game running on their console if they are not sure that game is coming. So we have Skyrim at Switch reveal trailer that showing Skyrim running on Switch, we have Bethesda saying that they supporting Switch, and at end we have confirmation from them that Skyrim is coming to Switch, and he still doubt about Skryim on Switch.

That doesn't change the fact that it's a poor analogy, a 3rd party and a 1st party have completely different responsibilities.

As for showing footage and cofirming releases and/or platform exclusivity; Final Fantasy V XIII, The Last Guardian, heck; Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Rayman Legends being first announced as a Wii U exclusive, and then delayed several times and finally made multiplat, despite reports that the Wii U version was finished some time ago.

3rd parties talk, they test and they make statements or promises. A lot of it is hot air. Given Nintendo's insanely poor track record with 3rd parties since the mid 90's, I really, really can't blame anyone for being skeptical, despite promises and footage (which wasn't even running on that hardware at all). For all we know, the Switch might receive a "light" version of Skyrim, more tailored for handheld gaming, maybe it'll be digital only, maybe it won't show up at all if sales of other 3rd party titles are poor. We don't know, we just don't, and by default, as a Nintendo fan, you should be more skeptical than most. Did the 7th and 8th generation inspire you to trust in the 3rd parties' will to wholeheartedly support Nintendo platforms?



They won't bring the big guns to the Switch, that's for sure. At least that will be the case with Western third party devs.



                
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CaptainExplosion said:
BraLoD said:

Yes... blame third party again... *sigh*

Well they kind of did the same thing with the Wii U. Realized it wasn't selling well enough, so they flipped Nintendo the economic bird.

Are you thinking that companies withholding or pulling out support from efforts and projects that are non-profitable or even causes a net loss is somehow poor business practice? What choice to they have?

If Nintendo fails to offer a platform and attract a demographics that is willing to pay for certain software, this surely isn't the developer's of said software's fault.



setsunatenshi said:
Miyamotoo said:

Of Course not, we don't even have for Nintendo games, and that's because Nintendo is holding anausments and Switch games for Switch event in January. I dont pay too much attention how games looked in Switch video.

Well than you can also doubt about MK, Splatoon and new Mario on Switch also.

I'm pretty sure we've seen Zelda playable, some 3D Mario and some sort of Mario Kart on what appeared to be playable form. We have not seen the same for Skyrim. Besides, as it was pointed previously, I'm not doubting Nintendo will support their own console, I'm only unconvinced Skyrim will be coming to it (and I'm obviously talking about the current remaster, not a port of the PS3 one)

Yes we only saw Zelda playable at Fallon show, is that means that Zelda is only Switch game? :)

Again, whats a point of showing 3rd party game runing on new Nintendo console if that game is not 100% coming on that console!? Nintendo definitely wouldn't show 3rd game running on their console if they are not sure that game is coming. So we have Skyrim at Switch reveal trailer that showing Skyrim running on Switch, we have Bethesda saying that they supporting Switch, and at end we have confirmation from them that Skyrim is coming to Switch, but you are not uncovinced!?

 

Mummelmann said:
Miyamotoo said:

 

It seems you came late to a party, he saying he still dobuts about Skyrim, even what would be point of showing 3rd party game runing on new Nintendo console if that game is not 100% coming on that console!? Nintendo definitely wouldn't show 3rd game running on their console if they are not sure that game is coming. So we have Skyrim at Switch reveal trailer that showing Skyrim running on Switch, we have Bethesda saying that they supporting Switch, and at end we have confirmation from them that Skyrim is coming to Switch, and he still doubt about Skryim on Switch.

That doesn't change the fact that it's a poor analogy, a 3rd party and a 1st party have completely different responsibilities.

As for showing footage and cofirming releases and/or platform exclusivity; Final Fantasy V XIII, The Last Guardian, heck; Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Rayman Legends being first announced as a Wii U exclusive, and then delayed several times and finally made multiplat, despite reports that the Wii U version was finished some time ago.

3rd parties talk, they test and they make statements or promises. A lot of it is hot air. Given Nintendo's insanely poor track record with 3rd parties since the mid 90's, I really, really can't blame anyone for being skeptical, despite promises and footage (which wasn't even running on that hardware at all). For all we know, the Switch might receive a "light" version of Skyrim, more tailored for handheld gaming, maybe it'll be digital only, maybe it won't show up at all if sales of other 3rd party titles are poor. We don't know, we just don't, and by default, as a Nintendo fan, you should be more skeptical than most. Did the 7th and 8th generation inspire you to trust in the 3rd parties' will to wholeheartedly support Nintendo platforms?

Not its not.

Comparing if some game is exlusive or if game will come at all on systemy are two toaly difrent things. Also Nintendo never said that Zelda BotW is exclusive Wii U title.

Skyrim is 100% coming to Switch, we saw Skyrim at Switch video, Bethesda confirms support for Switch and at end they confirmed game. Thats a point. I can be more skeptical about Dark Souls 3 for instance, but not about Skyrim, its all very clear about Skyrim.



Miyamotoo said:

 

 

Mummelmann said:

That doesn't change the fact that it's a poor analogy, a 3rd party and a 1st party have completely different responsibilities.

As for showing footage and cofirming releases and/or platform exclusivity; Final Fantasy V XIII, The Last Guardian, heck; Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Rayman Legends being first announced as a Wii U exclusive, and then delayed several times and finally made multiplat, despite reports that the Wii U version was finished some time ago.

3rd parties talk, they test and they make statements or promises. A lot of it is hot air. Given Nintendo's insanely poor track record with 3rd parties since the mid 90's, I really, really can't blame anyone for being skeptical, despite promises and footage (which wasn't even running on that hardware at all). For all we know, the Switch might receive a "light" version of Skyrim, more tailored for handheld gaming, maybe it'll be digital only, maybe it won't show up at all if sales of other 3rd party titles are poor. We don't know, we just don't, and by default, as a Nintendo fan, you should be more skeptical than most. Did the 7th and 8th generation inspire you to trust in the 3rd parties' will to wholeheartedly support Nintendo platforms?

Not its not.

Comparing if some game is exlusive or if game will come at all on systemy are two toaly difrent things. Also Nintendo never said that Zelda BotW is exclusive Wii U title.

Skyrim is 100% coming to Switch, we saw Skyrim at Switch video, Bethesda confirms support for Switch and at end they confirmed game. Thats a point. I can be more skeptical about Dark Souls 3 for instance, but not about Skyrim, its all very clear about Skyrim.

Not mentioning the other examples?

Final Fantasy Versus XIII; it was confirmed for PS3, they showed videos, both FMV and gameplay, on actual PS3 hardware (unlike Skyrim, both Nintendo and Bethesda were clear on the fact that it is not a Switch build, it's an imposed video sampled onto the Switch screen, not actual people actually playing, huge difference there) and Square Enix were among the biggest supporters of the PS3, vocally so. Do you know what happened? I'm sure you do, can you tell me why exactly it's impossible that Skyrim will not appear on Switch? I'm not saying it won't, my entire point is that we don't know for sure, even ports and games with near-to final builds have been cancelled or moved to other platforms in the past, and the words of a developer or publisher isn't worth all that much (we all remember EA's "unprecedented partnership" with Nintendo with the Wii U), nor does a meaningless picture of logos that people constantly throw around the forums. The 7th and 8th gen have been a festering bog of false promises and missed deadlines.

Final Fantasy XIII losing exclusivity to 360 was another good example of major changes, despite reassurances from SE that it would remain a PS only franchise and title. Developers say things, then they might do something completely different.

As for Zelda, it may never have been called an "exclusive", but when a game from a flagship series is announced at the start of a console's life cycle, it's more or less implied that it is, in fact, exclusive. There was not a single reason in the whole wide world  in January 2013 (at which point, the Wii U was merely a couple of months old and sales hadn't even tanked yet) to think that it would be delayed 5-6 times and end up as a dual-platform release (if even that, the rumors might still be true on the Wii U version being axed, I wouldn't be shocked). But I guess you saw that coming from the start? I know I didn't, most people didn't, the amount of outrage would suggest as much. So no matter how one twists it; Nintendo were completely disingenuous in their communication of this title from the beginning, and kept on being so, so why on earth are you taking the word of a 3rd party with zero relation and pedigree with Nintendo as solid truth? A little skepticism is healthy, you quite simply seem incapable of critical thinking on certain matters.