Mowco said: onionberry said: Because the thread was about power? The xone is like 4 times more powerful than a wii u and switch is like 2.5 more powerful than a wii u when the device is docked, that's like 1.5 behind xbox one, hardware wise that's close. I say If they have such a boner for power buy a gtx 1080 and plug that shit inside your ahole   It's not 1.5 behind XBO. Docked - 400Gflops XBO - 1.3Tflops It's a little less than a third. I don't think it's about people having a "boner for power" they're not after the MOST powerful system otherwise they'd never be interested in the switch even prior to this news. I was on the fence when I thought it was going to be a 600Gflop system and expected 400 Gflop's undocked. I didn't expect 400 Docked and 150 Undocked. It's not about wanting a power-house such as the 1080. It's about wanting a device that is powerful ENOUGH, that is somewhat competent. How long will this device last? Are we going to be gaming on a 400Gflop "home console" in 2020? Alongside the ps5 and next xbox? Such a pitiful device doesn't deserve a free pass cause it's nintendo. If this was an Xbox/PlayStation you would mock the shit out of it.

That's because Nintendo doesn't need to compete in power to make a good and visually appealing game, unlike Sony and MS that need to come to 4k and CG realistic visuals to please the superficial and insecure consumer segment of the game industry.

curl-6 said: maxleresistant said: Still waiting for the "gamecube 2" A simple console that gets the job done, cheap, without gimmicks, and with great first and third party support for gamers. The Gamecube was a failure for Nintendo though.

not really no.

Yes thd sales were underwhelming. But when thegeneration ended, there was a lot of love for the system and its games. Melee was an generation favorite of many gamers including those who didnt have a gamecube.

If Nintendo had made a GC 2 instead of the Wii, they could have easily sold 40 millions consoles or even more. The PS3 was so expensive that there was a window for Nintendo to take back the crown.

 

They went for the casual, which seemed like a great idea, but the biggest mistake is that in the process they just told the gamers to go f*#k themselves. And now with the WiiU, karma got them good, no gamers trust Nintendo, casual moved on, and the brand is at an all time worst.

So maybe the GC wasn t a big success short term, but long term, that strategy would have paid off way more, and a gamecube 3 instead of a WiiU would have sold a LOT more.

But short term, the Wii was a huge better success, but look where this all ended?

maxleresistant said: curl-6 said: The Gamecube was a failure for Nintendo though. not really no. Yes thd sales were underwhelming. But when thegeneration ended, there was a lot of love for the system and its games. Melee was an generation favorite of many gamers including those who didnt have a gamecube. If Nintendo had made a GC 2 instead of the Wii, they could have easily sold 40 millions consoles or even more. The PS3 was so expensive that there was a window for Nintendo to take back the crown.   They went for the casual, which seemed like a great idea, but the biggest mistake is that in the process they just told the gamers to go f*#k themselves. And now with the WiiU, karma got them good, no gamers trust Nintendo, casual moved on, and the brand is at an all time worst. So maybe the GC wasn t a big success short term, but long term, that strategy would have paid off way more, and a gamecube 3 instead of a WiiU would have sold a LOT more. But short term, the Wii was a huge better success, but look where this all ended?

Oh, gamecube! The console that was mocked and ignored because looked like a kid's lunchbox. Now that people are more aware of specs and power graphics it's now the most loved nintendo console.

Do you really think that the reason for Wii U failure was solely because of the casual approach and low powerful specs? My god, it's just amazing how people cherrypick and twist things just to move goalposts.

It'll be funny when Switch become a success, how your brain would process this information?

160rmf said: maxleresistant said: not really no. Yes thd sales were underwhelming. But when thegeneration ended, there was a lot of love for the system and its games. Melee was an generation favorite of many gamers including those who didnt have a gamecube. If Nintendo had made a GC 2 instead of the Wii, they could have easily sold 40 millions consoles or even more. The PS3 was so expensive that there was a window for Nintendo to take back the crown.   They went for the casual, which seemed like a great idea, but the biggest mistake is that in the process they just told the gamers to go f*#k themselves. And now with the WiiU, karma got them good, no gamers trust Nintendo, casual moved on, and the brand is at an all time worst. So maybe the GC wasn t a big success short term, but long term, that strategy would have paid off way more, and a gamecube 3 instead of a WiiU would have sold a LOT more. But short term, the Wii was a huge better success, but look where this all ended? Oh, gamecube! The console that was mocked and ignored because looked like a kid's lunchbox. Now that people are more aware of specs and power graphics it's now the most loved nintendo console. Do you really think that the reason for Wii U failure was solely because of the casual approach and low powerful specs? My god, it's just amazing how people cherrypick and twist things just to move goalposts. It'll be funny when Switch become a success, how your brain would process this information?

You should learn to have a conversation without being a dick to other people.

You do that, and then you come back and try to talk to me again.

Have a nice day

If the Switch was built like the GameCube, a mini console using the X1 Tegra a its full potential, and not massively downclocked because it was home console only, would it be more attractive to consumers? It would be more powerful and less expensive.

So the PS4 with a game cost less than $250, how much is Nintendo gonna ask for this very low-powered machine?
I expect developers are going for the console part or the handheld part but not both

I think people are too worried about specs. To the point of losing their mind.

Isn´t software what makes a great system? Think about the 3ds situation. It has "shit" specs compared to Vita but in terms of software its library is killer.

The Nintendo Switch is going to unify all Nintendo games/productions into a single platform. It probalby won´t get cutting-edge costly third party games, but it will get all those great handheld franchises that made the 3ds so notorious and probably a great offer of indie games too.

The success of the Nintendo Switch relies a lot more on its library than on its specs. Nintendo needs to keep a great flow of game launches in the next 2/3 years and invest a good money on marketing/advertsiment if they want the device to be successful. Right now, we don´t know much about what they have been producing.

I´d say we should neither be so hyped nor too pessimistic about it until we discover the real specs and the game lineup, and that won´t come until the January presentation.

Rogerioandrade said: I think people are too worried about specs. To the point of losing their mind. Isn´t software what makes a great system? Think about the 3ds situation. It has "shit" specs compared to Vita but in terms of software its library is killer. The Nintendo Switch is going to unify all Nintendo games/productions into a single platform. It probalby won´t get cutting-edge costly third party games, but it will get all those great handheld franchises that made the 3ds so notorious and probably a great offer of indie games too. The success of the Nintendo Switch relies a lot more on its library than on its specs. Nintendo needs to keep a great flow of game launches in the next 2/3 years and invest a good money on marketing/advertsiment if they want the device to be successful. Right now, we don´t know much about what they have been producing. I´d say we should neither be so hyped nor too pessimistic about it until we discover the real specs and the game lineup, and that won´t come until the January presentation.

Great software needs a good machine. Besides Mario Kart 8 and Mario Galaxy, the best games Nintendo ever made were made on previous generations, on machine that were cutting edge at the time. And MK8 and Galaxy would have been even better on a more powerful system.

There is nothing wrong with having great games made with great graphics. There was a time when we had both on Nintendo system, games like Rogue Squadron, Perfect Dark, Pikmin, Super Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, Eternal Darkness, Luigi's Mansion, Super Smash Bros Melee, Ocarina of Time, I don't think there is anything wrong with asking that Nintendo start to care about both again. 

maxleresistant said: Rogerioandrade said: I think people are too worried about specs. To the point of losing their mind. Isn´t software what makes a great system? Think about the 3ds situation. It has "shit" specs compared to Vita but in terms of software its library is killer. The Nintendo Switch is going to unify all Nintendo games/productions into a single platform. It probalby won´t get cutting-edge costly third party games, but it will get all those great handheld franchises that made the 3ds so notorious and probably a great offer of indie games too. The success of the Nintendo Switch relies a lot more on its library than on its specs. Nintendo needs to keep a great flow of game launches in the next 2/3 years and invest a good money on marketing/advertsiment if they want the device to be successful. Right now, we don´t know much about what they have been producing. I´d say we should neither be so hyped nor too pessimistic about it until we discover the real specs and the game lineup, and that won´t come until the January presentation. Great software needs a good machine. Besides Mario Kart 8 and Mario Galaxy, the best games Nintendo ever made were made on previous generations, on machine that were cutting edge at the time. And you can't MK8 and Galaxy would have been even better on a more powerful system. There is nothing wrong with having great games made with great graphics. There was a time when we had both on Nintendo system, games like Rogue Squadron, Perfect Dark, Pikmin, Super Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, Eternal Darkness, Luigi's Mansion, Super Smash Bros Melee, Ocarina of Time, I don't think there is anything wrong with asking that Nintendo start to care about both again.

 

Am I whining when I say I want a system that can at least get SOME third-party support? I would really like to have some current gen games on the go. Am I asking for too much? But after seeing how underclocked the Switch is all I can possibly hope for now is some last gen games I can play on the go. It's something, anyways. A portable Mass Effect game would be nice. Maybe a portable BioShock.

Rogerioandrade said: I think people are too worried about specs. To the point of losing their mind. Isn´t software what makes a great system? Think about the 3ds situation. It has "shit" specs compared to Vita but in terms of software its library is killer. The Nintendo Switch is going to unify all Nintendo games/productions into a single platform. It probalby won´t get cutting-edge costly third party games, but it will get all those great handheld franchises that made the 3ds so notorious and probably a great offer of indie games too. The success of the Nintendo Switch relies a lot more on its library than on its specs. Nintendo needs to keep a great flow of game launches in the next 2/3 years and invest a good money on marketing/advertsiment if they want the device to be successful. Right now, we don´t know much about what they have been producing. I´d say we should neither be so hyped nor too pessimistic about it until we discover the real specs and the game lineup, and that won´t come until the January presentation.

I think it is every bit our right to complain about specs when that really all we got. I'd love to talk about the new Xenoblade but they haven't shown it off yet. Nor any real footage for games on the system other than BOTW, and frankly we've talked that to death.