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I liked the the first and final act...the middle lagged a bit.
Also I thought some of the characters didn't grab me (just my opinion but I didn't find them that likable, and say what you want about tfa at least it had likable characters as well as a mix of new and old ones)...also in terms of plot some of the characters didn't need to be in it at all.
At first I thought the movie was gonna be totally different to any previous Star Wars movie but by the end it became typical sw final battle antics (not that theres anything wrong with that!)...I always thought it was gonna be like a heist movie or a Kelly's Heroes in space type movie. Overall I liked it a lot despite its flaws. I still think there's something more likable about tfa, but this is a great start to the whole tie in movies thing...also I'd really like to see Gareth Edwards helm another spinoff or even an actual 'episode' movie.



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I loved it! Thought it was better than TFA, although R1 had its fair share of flaws. The CGI characters were a bit jarring and I would have loved to see more of Vader, but he was totally awesome and epic in the few scenes he was featured in.

Over all I think I'd rank this as the 3rd or 4th best Star Wars movie, but I'd really need to see it again to be certain.



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The Fury said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

They should have just left Tarkin and Leia and others out of the equation. The technology just isn't there. They're not fooling anyone. It's completely immersion breaking, especially for someone who knows those faces and voices by heart. Leia was the worst, as it's essentially the last thing you see before the credits roll. Also, let us use our imagination. We don't need to see Leia receive the plans by hand and then blast off into hyperspace on Tantive IV. We can put two and two together.

I get that it's a prequel, but the filmmakers aren't doing themselves any favors by trading in nostalgia at the expense of the here and now. Rogue One was a chance to expand the Star Wars universe. By remaining so dependent on Episodes III and IV, it felt more like a contraction.

On the first point, I noticed that Vader's voice was deeper, as well, James Earl Jone has aged and his voice is generally deeper. It didn't quite either.

The nostalgia thing is still present sadly, they need to get over that and just make the films. You know the 2 people Obi-wan has a fight with in the Mos Eisley were in it for like 2 seconds? Why? What's the point?

Eitherway, the way they connected it to Ep4 was nice but I kind of wish they would make a Star Wars film not revolving around the rise and fall of the Empire and make a film just set in the Star Wars world.

Yeah, it was bad. The whole point of movies is to create an illusion of reality. When you try to resurrect the dead through a computer program the audience can tell. And like you say it was totally unnecessary. Use the Star Wars universe as a backdrop and tell a new story with new themes. Make us care about new faces, not pine for old ones.



StokedUp said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

They should have just left Tarkin and Leia and others out of the equation. The technology just isn't there. They're not fooling anyone. It's completely immersion breaking, especially for someone who knows those faces and voices by heart. Leia was the worst, as it's essentially the last thing you see before the credits roll. Also, let us use our imagination. We don't need to see Leia receive the plans by hand and then blast off into hyperspace on Tantive IV. We can put two and two together.

I get that it's a prequel, but the filmmakers aren't doing themselves any favors by trading in nostalgia at the expense of the here and now. Rogue One was a chance to expand the Star Wars universe. By remaining so dependent on Episodes III and IV, it felt more like a contraction.

Thank goodness your opinion is just part of the vast minority. Fans loved having tarkin and Leia included in this movie And to say "they're not fooling anyone" Is a bit weird as nobody was going to think anything else but they were cgi, One of the actors is dead and the other is old now, they wasn't trying to fool anyone you're being far to fussy and need to lighten up a bit.

They were just bringing amazing moments to the movie to tie it in perfectly for episode IV and the vast majority of fans loved Princess Leia and tarkin being included. 

Vast minority is kind of an oxymoron, don't you think?



I loved Tarkin and Leia included, but I think it could be handle better. The tech is not there to have truly photorealistic characters in a not-animated movie imo. It was fan-pleasing enough to me overlooking that fact, though. I like that the movie is, shamessly, fan-servicey, and it had tons of moments when I was smiling like an idiot. The movie is pure entertainment in that second half.



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Veknoid_Outcast said:

Yeah, it was bad. The whole point of movies is to create an illusion of reality. When you try to resurrect the dead through a computer program the audience can tell. And like you say it was totally unnecessary. Use the Star Wars universe as a backdrop and tell a new story with new themes. Make us care about new faces, not pine for old ones.

Indeed... although I wouldn't mind seeing a film about how Lando came to power in Cloud City. No connection to the empire, rebels or any of that, just Lando going from smuggler to leader.



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Veknoid_Outcast said:
The Fury said:
I enjoyed it, was a good film, slumped here and here but the ending section was great. I'd say it felt like a Star Wars film, while Ep 7 felt like some weird fan film.

Also, and most jarring, is no matter how CG a cartoon Peter Cushing looks, the voice was completely off. Plus questionable in my view.

They should have just left Tarkin and Leia and others out of the equation. The technology just isn't there. They're not fooling anyone. It's completely immersion breaking, especially for someone who knows those faces and voices by heart. Leia was the worst, as it's essentially the last thing you see before the credits roll. Also, let us use our imagination. We don't need to see Leia receive the plans by hand and then blast off into hyperspace on Tantive IV. We can put two and two together.

I get that it's a prequel, but the filmmakers aren't doing themselves any favors by trading in nostalgia at the expense of the here and now. Rogue One was a chance to expand the Star Wars universe. By remaining so dependent on Episodes III and IV, it felt more like a contraction.

It was nice seeing their faces and right move as this was prequel to episode IV. Although why Leia was just waiting in this ship in this room and was just chilling is still mystery to me xD



Veknoid_Outcast said:
The Fury said:
I enjoyed it, was a good film, slumped here and here but the ending section was great. I'd say it felt like a Star Wars film, while Ep 7 felt like some weird fan film.

Also, and most jarring, is no matter how CG a cartoon Peter Cushing looks, the voice was completely off. Plus questionable in my view.

They should have just left Tarkin and Leia and others out of the equation. The technology just isn't there. They're not fooling anyone. It's completely immersion breaking, especially for someone who knows those faces and voices by heart. Leia was the worst, as it's essentially the last thing you see before the credits roll. Also, let us use our imagination. We don't need to see Leia receive the plans by hand and then blast off into hyperspace on Tantive IV. We can put two and two together.

I get that it's a prequel, but the filmmakers aren't doing themselves any favors by trading in nostalgia at the expense of the here and now. Rogue One was a chance to expand the Star Wars universe. By remaining so dependent on Episodes III and IV, it felt more like a contraction.

This was not a movie to expand the universe and thank god for that. We had enough BS added with episode 7 that will need fixing. Let's add to the universe! Magical splitting time traveling energy beam! Yaay! It was literally a children's movie. Rogue was an adult's movie and i'm thankful for that.



Nem said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

They should have just left Tarkin and Leia and others out of the equation. The technology just isn't there. They're not fooling anyone. It's completely immersion breaking, especially for someone who knows those faces and voices by heart. Leia was the worst, as it's essentially the last thing you see before the credits roll. Also, let us use our imagination. We don't need to see Leia receive the plans by hand and then blast off into hyperspace on Tantive IV. We can put two and two together.

I get that it's a prequel, but the filmmakers aren't doing themselves any favors by trading in nostalgia at the expense of the here and now. Rogue One was a chance to expand the Star Wars universe. By remaining so dependent on Episodes III and IV, it felt more like a contraction.

This was not a movie to expand the universe and thank god for that. We had enough BS added with episode 7 that will need fixing. Let's add to the universe! Magical splitting time traveling energy beam! Yaay! It was literally a children's movie. Rogue was an adult's movie and i'm thankful for that.

BS? You mean new content? New characters with clear motivation and interesting personalities? That's fine by me. Remember when Star Wars was about new ideas, new possibilities? With Rogue One it's just a trip down memory lane.

Also, it's a super-powerful, system-spanning energy beam that's causing you pause? Not the alien beings who live for 900 years? Not the impossible physics of a lightsaber or FTL travel? Not the original Death Star? Not an invisible, magical force that determines everything in the universe? >_>



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Nem said:

This was not a movie to expand the universe and thank god for that. We had enough BS added with episode 7 that will need fixing. Let's add to the universe! Magical splitting time traveling energy beam! Yaay! It was literally a children's movie. Rogue was an adult's movie and i'm thankful for that.

BS? You mean new content? New characters with clear motivation and interesting personalities? That's fine by me. Remember when Star Wars was about new ideas, new possibilities? With Rogue One it's just a trip down memory lane.

Also, it's a super-powerful, system-spanning energy beam that's causing you pause? Not the alien beings who live for 900 years? Not the impossible physics of a lightsaber or FTL travel? Not the original Death Star? Not an invisible, magical force that determines everything in the universe? >_>

What's causing me pause is everything that doesnt make sense in episode 7. The way the galaxy is in, the planet sized weapon that no one saw, the time and space bending magic beam of destruction and how classic characters got protrayed as useless post movies. The new characters had nothing of interesting aswell. Angry teen kylo thinks dark side is cooler and kills father... because? Who the eff cares right? Good character development right there.
Fynn who is a normal person storm trooper... because they stopped making clones of bobba fett? Lets just roll with it. First order empire coming out of? Lets just roll with it!

Did i mention how the whole plot is a rip of episode 4?

Episode 7 is a complete shit movie. Worst SW ever. It drops you in and expects you to roll with it. If it was a new franchise, sure, we can give them the benefit of the doubt. Star wars? Completely unnaceptable. And yes, i even enjoyed episode 1 more than episode 7.

Rogue one? Actually added to the continuity without asking you to just roll with it and shitting all over science fiction. I will take more rogue one's over episode 7's any day. At least i can leave the cinema with a smile with rogue ones.