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the-pi-guy said:

"We don't know" ≠ "It doesn't

https://www.epa.gov/climate-change-science/understanding-link-between-climate-change-and-extreme-weather

It's not "we don't know", it's that there is "no established relationship" ... 

Once again higher temperatures are not a cause of increase in other forms of extreme weather like floods, droughts, tornados or hurricanes ... 

Even the data that the EPA uses from the NOAA disputes that ... 



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Chris Hu said:
Birimbau said:

Yeah that guy is a moron he works for a conservative think tank of course he is gonna denny global warming.

He did win a physics Nobel prize, so he's not a moron. However his field of physics (solid state physics) is completely unrelated to climate science or physics related to the atmosphere. So it's like listening to the opinion of a gynaecologist talking about neurosurgery and preferring that opinion over the opinion of an actual neurosurgeon. Sure the gynaecologist is going to have more intelligent things to say about neurosurgery than your average high school educated person, because they would have studied a bit about the brain in medical school. But their knowledge of neurosurgery is negligible compared to that of a neurosurgeon.



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fatslob-:O said:
the-pi-guy said:

Climate change leads to higher sea levels.  Which affects flooding and hurricanes.  Heat also helps in forming tornadoes.  

heat waves -> tornadoes

heat waves -> melting ice -> flooding

It doesn't! 

Even the NOAA found no discernible relationship between climate change and other forms of extreme weather like droughts, flooding, cyclones, or hurricanes ... 

The only thing you could argue is that climate change is correlated heat waves but even the united states is benefitting from warmer temperatures as it's citizens are less likely to die than before from colder weather! 

Uh, no its a lot easier to die from a heat wave because of a heat stroke or dehydration then to die from extreme cold.



Jesus Christ, what an absolute moron.

"Look, I’m somebody that gets it" - Uh huh, like a religious fundamentalist understands the Big Bang Theory.

Unreal that Americans elected a scientifically-illiterate bloviating swine with no redeemable personal qualities and even fewer political skills.



Chris Hu said:

Uh, no its a lot easier to die from a heat wave because of a heat stroke or dehydration then to die from extreme cold.

That's false ... 

More people are likely to have health issues under cooler temperatures than hotter ones ...

the-pi-guy said:

 

This article is moreso about some uncertainty in how climate affects extreme weather.  There's a ton of uncertainty because these are rare events, and we likely can't link some droughts to climate change.  Whether that's because we don't know enough, or because we need a better model, or whether it's because climate change absolutely 100% doesn't cause those things; we don't know the answer.  

Likely is not the same as absolutely, especially when it comes to ridiculously complicated areas of study like climate.  

Which means that the model doesn't work ... 

If a model insists that there will be more extreme weather then it needs to be tried and tested and if the results don't agree then you dump it or throw it in the garbage ...

It's not that hard ... 

No evidence that climate change causes more extreme weather ... 

"Absence of proof is not proof of absence.  

Like they say, "burden of proof is on the one making the claim" ...



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While i think we should acknowledge climate change it's hard to take the scientific community seriously when they are consistantly wrong about these type of things.  First it was global freezing, then it was global warming, and now it's climate change. 



shikamaru317 said:

He has a point. Scientists always think they know something, once upon a time the scientific community thought the Earth was flat and that the Sun revolved around the Earth, they were wrong. Modern Science is not incontrovertible. While the climate definitely is changing, there is no way to know for certain that it's human caused rather than the natural climate changes this planet has always had.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

No.



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bowserthedog said:

While i think we should acknowledge climate change it's hard to take the scientific community seriously when they are consistantly wrong about these type of things.  First it was global freezing, then it was global warming, and now it's climate change. 

Global freezing? What are you referring to?

I think you mean global cooling which was predicted in the 1970s.

A video on that I think you would benefit from viewing:



fatslob-:O said:
Teeqoz said:

But you don't measure the global average temperature. That makes no sense. You can't measure an average. Averages are calculated from many averages. We take measurements from both stations around the world, and satelites that continuously scan a small chaning part of earth's surface, and calculate the average. The measurements will be a finite number of measurements from a finite number of places. You then take the average for each individual place (to make sure places that have more measurements don't count more than places with fewer measurements), and then again take the average of those values to find the global average temperature. You can extrapolate the calculations to get an average for time periods as well. Honestly, the calculation is the simple part. Getting a huge dataset is the difficult part, but thanks to our advanced infrastructure and years of hard work and scientific progress, we have equipment many places in the globa that can measure temperature very accurately, giving us such a good dataset.

You insist that we CAN possibly measure a global average but the physicist says otherwise, me on the other hand thinks you're going about it at a very simplistic way ... 

The problem with your said methodology is that you can only measure a single point in space with a thermometer and you can only calculate the average with respect to time in that one point ... 

How would you even think about measure the average temperature with respect to an AREA (surfaces & volumes) and TIME ? 

If we attempted using your said methodology and created an aggregate of specifically collected data then there'd be lot's of serious discontinuities in the data that would preclude it from ever claiming that it accurately captures the temperature of the earth when that is not true since testing is done with geographical bias with higher population areas ... 

The other problem with the methodology is that it would only work if Earth is in an equilibrium but that is never the case too ... 

Said someone who knows nothing of statistical sampling methods.