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Egelo said:
Soundwave said:

I don't think they need to focus on any one platform in particular, but fair is fair, Nintendo should be included in getting Japanese SE titles unless there is absolutely, positively, no way at all that any of their games can run there. 

But "boo hoo, this will require some work" is not a valid excuse. 

If anything what I would suggest to Square-Enix is to reorganize and focus on PS4 and Switch for their Japanese titles and dump the XBox One or make that less of a priority.  Switch is going to be the no.1 platform in Japan, it should have all the major SE titles. 

As for the franchise itself, I would suggest going back and using a cheaper graphics engine and a more FANTASY/MIDEVAL setting. Even if you're trying to appeal to a global audience, guess what, in the West we like Game of Thrones, not J-Pop boyband the game. Bring back the style of gaming to more like the SNES/PSOne era. 

Would have been the likely strategy for most if ninty could stop making underpower hardware.  

Wow the arrogance and delusion of that is staggering.  

Past is the past. Maybe Nintendo would've stuck to making powerful hardware if Japanese developers like Square-Enix opted to give the GameCube a fair shake for one to boot. 

Switch is here and now though and it should be powerful enough to handle most any port. Some work may need to be done, but it's not impossible as we're hearing games like Dark Souls III are able to run on the system and that indie studio game definitely looks like a PS4/XB1 tier of graphics. 

I don't think saying Switch is going to be the no.1 platform in Japan is really a controversial statement. After almost 3 years the PS4 is sitting at only 3.4 million sold, which is very low and its gotten some big games by now -- MGSV, DQ Heroes I + II, DQ Builders, Final Fantasy XV. The Switch will be a portable Nintendo system with Pokemon, Splatoon, Mario Kart, Smash, Mario, Animal Crossing, that alone gets it probably to 10 million even on the low end alone, and that's not even accounting for Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter (likely). 



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Trust me, soundwave isn't a guy of port begging and he hasn't written this from bias, soundwave have been harsh ( not unfairly sometimes ) towards Nintendo...

He is just expressing his concern about playstation major Japanese third party exclusives and believes that switch being a handheld console too, can save these franchises in case of further decline/ preventing their movement to mobile games ( of course if its as successful as 3DS or even if its somewhat less ) . So simply, don't misunderstand him and not do an injustice to him.

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree but what Soundwave says doesn't seem to me wrong because his has put sound and apt arguments.

See soundwave, I defended you! That's must be a big surprise for you, eh? We usually wrangle. haha



tak13 said:

Trust me, soundwave isn't a guy of port begging and he hasn't written this from bias, soundwave have been harsh ( not unfairly sometimes ) towards Nintendo...

He is just expressing his concern about playstation major Japanese third party exclusives and believes that switch being a handheld console too, can save these franchises in case of further decline/ preventing their movement to mobile games ( of course if its as successful as 3DS or even if its somewhat less ) . So simply, don't misunderstand him and not do an injustice to him.

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree but what Soundwave says doesn't seem to me wrong because his has put sound and apt arguments.

See soundwave, I defended you! That's must be a big surprise for you, eh? We usually wrangle. haha

What was the last thing we wrangled about? 

Yes I'm fairly harsh on Nintendo from a company/business POV. Probably the toughest fan they have here, though there are few others are tough on them. But I'm actually pretty gentle on them as a games critic, I even liked (note I said liked, not loved) Metroid: Other M (would have been much better received if it was a game with a new character I think). 

My worry is mainly the Japanese market, because the chain reaction that would be set off if Switch fails I believe is this

1.) Japanese developers (like some posters here) start saying "OK lets make Western games", but this isn't really going to work. Part of what makes Japanese games tick is their unique Japanese style. Making them generic American games will only come off as bland ripoffs that Americans won't buy anyway. Don't think the West will carry IP like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, and Dragon Quest forever. This is unsustainable for those IP even, and for games like Ni No Kuni, they'd have virtually no market. 

2.) This means Japanese publishers and business suits are going to panic, with no traditional Japanese game system market to reliably lean on, they will start to lay off staff and refocus on smartphone games. We are already seeing this.

3.) Something like Dragon Quest XII will be an iPhone/Android game and many other Japanese IP will follow suit. 

Japanese developers need to understand that given the current market conditions helping Nintendo create a healthy/vibrant/large Switch userbase is in their *own* best interests. Continuing to have an advasarial or unethusiastic relationship with Nintendo is like blowing off someone who's walking by as you're sinking in quicksand because you're too proud. Ask for help you dope. 

It's time for Nintendo for the first time since really the Super Famicom era to have the full brunt of Japanese development support behind them, not just some of it. The market is so challenging that that I think is what it will take for a system to do very well in Japan again. ALL of Japan, and that means Nintendo + Square-Enix + Capcom + Sega + Bandai-Namco + Konami etc. etc. need to come together.



Soundwave said:
Panama said:
Franchise went to shit once it went multi-platform. While I like to imagine that was purely coincidence, I fail to see how focusing on Nintendo will remediate the issue the FF brand has right now.

I don't think they need to focus on any one platform in particular, but fair is fair, Nintendo should be included in getting Japanese SE titles unless there is absolutely, positively, no way at all that any of their games can run there. 

But "boo hoo, this will require some work" is not a valid excuse. 

If anything what I would suggest to Square-Enix is to reorganize and focus on PS4 and Switch for their Japanese titles and dump the XBox One or make that less of a priority. Switch is going to be the no.1 platform in Japan, it should have all the major SE titles. 

As for the franchise itself, I would suggest going back and using a cheaper graphics engine and a more FANTASY/MIDEVAL setting. Even if you're trying to appeal to a global audience, guess what, in the West we like Game of Thrones, not J-Pop boyband the game. Bring back the style of gaming to more like the SNES/PSOne era. 

In the last 20 years, Final Fantasy had one of the best graphics of the industry. That is  part of the franchise

 

It seems that the japanese Boy band worked in the global market. They shipped 5 millions day 1.



Swordmasterman said:
Soundwave said:

I don't think they need to focus on any one platform in particular, but fair is fair, Nintendo should be included in getting Japanese SE titles unless there is absolutely, positively, no way at all that any of their games can run there. 

But "boo hoo, this will require some work" is not a valid excuse. 

If anything what I would suggest to Square-Enix is to reorganize and focus on PS4 and Switch for their Japanese titles and dump the XBox One or make that less of a priority. Switch is going to be the no.1 platform in Japan, it should have all the major SE titles. 

As for the franchise itself, I would suggest going back and using a cheaper graphics engine and a more FANTASY/MIDEVAL setting. Even if you're trying to appeal to a global audience, guess what, in the West we like Game of Thrones, not J-Pop boyband the game. Bring back the style of gaming to more like the SNES/PSOne era. 

In the last 20 years, Final Fantasy had one of the best graphics of the industry. That is  part of the franchise

 

It seems that the japanese Boy band worked in the global market. They shipped 5 millions day 1.

They overshipped on the basis of the series' past success. The problem in doing this is if those copies don't sell, retailers are going to black list future Final Fantasy games. 

That's the problem. They've damaged the brand. I think it will have a good first month in the West, but below Final Fantasy XIII and then will drop like a rock after that. 

I mean FF7-9 had good graphics, but I wouldn't say they had the "best" graphics. The actual in-game graphics were good, but I wouldn't say the best, a lot of the poly models from FF7 for example are shockingly basic. The FMV was great for its time though. 



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Yes,lets release a game that switch can barely run on a user base of 0.

Jup switch will safe ff15



 

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xl-klaudkil said:
Yes,lets release a game that switch can barely run on a user base of 0.

Jup switch will safe ff15

Switch won't have a userbase of 0 for long, it will over take the PS4 very quickly. 

Pokemon, Splatoon, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Mario, Dragon Quest XI, Monster Hunter, on one platform ... a platform that is a portable Nintendo system ... in Japan. 

You do the math. 

Even for all the bruhaha over the decline of the mobile market, *in Japan* the 3DS is going to become the 3rd highest selling system ever in Japanese history, overtaking the Playstation 2, and in fact selling more than any home console in Japanese history, better than any Playstation, or Famicom or Super Famicom and almost double the Wii in Japan. The only systems that have sold more than the 3DS in Japan are the original DS and the Game Boy + Game Boy Color which had like 11 years to sell. 

Don't confuse the Western market trends for Japan, Japan is a very different place. 



xl-klaudkil said:
Yes,lets release a game that switch can barely run on a user base of 0.

Jup switch will safe ff15

So you're saying no more launch titles?



Soundwave said:
xl-klaudkil said:
Yes,lets release a game that switch can barely run on a user base of 0.

Jup switch will safe ff15

Switch won't have a userbase of 0 for long, it will over take the PS4 very quickly. 

Pokemon, Splatoon, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Mario, Dragon Quest XI, Monster Hunter, on one platform ... a platform that is a portable Nintendo system ... in Japan. 

You do the math. 

Even for all the bruhaha over the decline of the mobile market, *in Japan* the 3DS is going to become the 3rd highest selling system ever in Japanese history, overtaking the Playstation 2, and in fact selling more than any home console in Japanese history, better than any Playstation, or Famicom or Super Famicom and almost double the Wii in Japan. The only systems that have sold more than the 3DS in Japan are the original DS and the Game Boy + Game Boy Color which had like 11 years to sell. 

Don't confuse the Western market trends for Japan, Japan is a very different place. 

Hope you won't  get dissepointed then.



 

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Soundwave said:
Swordmasterman said:

In the last 20 years, Final Fantasy had one of the best graphics of the industry. That is  part of the franchise

 

It seems that the japanese Boy band worked in the global market. They shipped 5 millions day 1.

They overshipped on the basis of the series' past success. The problem in doing this is if those copies don't sell, retailers are going to black list future Final Fantasy games. 

That's the problem. They've damaged the brand. I think it will have a good first month in the West, but below Final Fantasy XIII and then will drop like a rock after that. 

I mean FF7-9 had good graphics, but I wouldn't say they had the "best" graphics. The actual in-game graphics were good, but I wouldn't say the best, a lot of the poly models from FF7 for example are shockingly basic. The FMV was great for its time though. 

They didn't overshipped, tey had pre-order numbers and the data for it. They shipped 1 million of units for Japan, 4 millions worldwide.