They supported the 3DS, of course they will suport the Switch.. I wouldn't worry about that. 
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They supported the 3DS, of course they will suport the Switch.. I wouldn't worry about that. 
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| AZWification said: They supported the 3DS, of course they will suport the Switch.. I wouldn't worry about that. |
Enix did, Square not so much. Kingdom Hearts on 3DS even sold 1.58 million so it's not like that bombed or anything.
But I think you're right. Square is going to support Switch and probably heavily, if they weren't already, FFXV's opening pretty much sealed it.
Safiir said:
Ok you said that the west should not be bailing out japanese games. Why are you now using sales numbers from the west? |
That makes no sense. Street Fighter V would have sold 5-6+ millions on the PS4.
That thread is too offensive and the base of the owner is that Switch will be a extremely success. Nintendo will only ship 2 millions at launch. The Switch will be successful on Japan, but we don't know by how much. Nintendo is jumping from a generation in which they sold 12-14 millions of consoles.

I think what the basic sentiment of the OP is that Switch at this point is the only upcoming platform that stands any chance of tapping into the huge portable gaming userbase in Japan that has overtaken and left the home gaming side behind. That large portable following is the only way for developers to possibly return to the performance of years long gone with the home console side of things ever declining.
Eastern developers can't ignore their own back yard because business would become very wonky depending solely on overseas markets, under this sentiment I agree that they can no longer afford to pick one preferred platform as 600k for FF is shockingly low and highlights why DQXI has a 3DS and Switch version. The console decline in Japan has just become too significant.
I think if Switch takes off well people in future may be in for some surprises in games/series that move to the platform and tbh if the platform is priced right I don't think anything is going to stop it in Japan.
Swordmasterman said:
That makes no sense. Street Fighter V would have sold 5-6+ millions on the PS4. That thread is too offensive and the base of the owner is that Switch will be a extremely success. Nintendo will only ship 2 millions at launch. The Switch will be successful on Japan, but we don't know by how much. Nintendo is jumping from a generation in which they sold 12-14 millions of consoles. |
So here's a fucking radical concept ... why not SUPPORT the system and help it become a success? You know, like instead of expecting Nintendo to work like a dog and do all the heavy lifting?
They seem very keen to give Sony/MS plenty of support before they sell even 1 single console, maybe once (just once) Nintendo could be afforded a little bit of the benefit of the doubt given that they've sold 50 million DS and 3DS units in the last 10 years in Japan (more than any 10 year stretch of any combined Playstation systems).
Japanese developers need to do some soul searching and ask themselves if they really want a future of traditional gaming in Japan and if there is to be such a future which platform has the best realistic chance of giving them that future.
Because I think it's becoming painfully obvious which system that is and it isn't the Playstation 4, but even then I'm not saying don't support the PS4. I'm just saying maybe, just freaking maybe it's time to look at the Switch, and I mean really look at it without the usual bullshit third parties tend to pull on Nintendo platforms.
Nintendo is only one in Japan that can move hardware en masse and that is PROVEN, that's not a hypothetical, even bearing the brunt of the smartphone/tablet storm, the 3DS is going to outsell the Famicom, Super Famicom, Playstation 1, Playstation 2, GBA, Wii, PSP, and Playstation 3 in Japan.
BraLoD said:
Dragon Quest games were already with Nintendo last gen, PS4 sales of FFXV don't highlight anything, actually, PS4 getting it highlight SE is happy enough with Sony on Japan again (DQ is primarly strongly focused on Japan) to go back to releasing Dragon Quest for it. |
DQ on PS4 I think was made with the incorrect assumption that PS4 would revive console gaming in Japan and be a big success there.
It hasn't played out that way. They are very lucky they have a 3DS and Switch version of that because there would be full on panic at SE if they had opted to make that PS4-only.
| Wyrdness said: I think what the basic sentiment of the OP is that Switch at this point is the only upcoming platform that stands any chance of tapping into the huge portable gaming userbase in Japan that has overtaken and left the home gaming side behind. That large portable following is the only way for developers to possibly return to the performance of years long gone with the home console side of things ever declining. Eastern developers can't ignore their own back yard because business would become very wonky depending solely on overseas markets, under this sentiment I agree that they can no longer afford to pick one preferred platform as 600k for FF is shockingly low and highlights why DQXI has a 3DS and Switch version. The console decline in Japan has just become too significant. I think if Switch takes off well people in future may be in for some surprises in games/series that move to the platform and tbh if the platform is priced right I don't think anything is going to stop it in Japan. |
This assumes though that console gamers haven't already migrated to purely mobile phone games or even to PCs. For which we currently simply have no idea. The 3ds did very well in Japan by almost purely relying on Nintendo games. Who's to say the 3ds' audience is at all interested in 3rd party games? We just don't have any evidence either way.
Safiir said:
This assumes though that console gamers haven't already migrated to purely mobile phone games or even to PCs. For which we currently simply have no idea. The 3ds did very well in Japan by almost purely relying on Nintendo games. Who's to say the 3ds' audience is at all interested in 3rd party games? We just don't have any evidence either way. |
You mean outside of like the 10-15 million selling third party titles on the 3DS?
Maybe developers are the ones who are in the wrong here.
The 3DS will outsell the every Sony system in Japan, even the PS2. It will outsell the Famicom, Super Famicom, and Wii.
And that is right in the middle of the smartphone storm.
And yet it still gets treated like a red headed step child in many instances when it comes to Japanese support. It's ridiculous really.
If the Switch is treated the same way, fuck Japanese developers, they deserve the fate that's waiting for them which is their own greedy board of directors and investors turning on them and forcing them to work on smartphone games exclusively, because there is going to be no market left in Japan and the West is not going to be a savior for Japanese games with its weird art styles and effeminate characters and quirks either.
Soundwave said:
You mean outside of like the 10-15 million selling third party titles on the 3DS? Maybe developers are the ones who are in the wrong here. The 3DS will outsell the every Sony system in Japan, even the PS2. It will outsell the Famicom, Super Famicom, and Wii. And that is right in the middle of the smartphone storm. And yet it still gets treated like a red headed step child in many instances when it comes to Japanese support. It's ridiculous really. If the Switch is treated the same way, fuck Japanese developers, they deserve the fate that's waiting for them which is their own greedy board of directors and investors turning on them and forcing them to work on smartphone games exclusively, because there is going to be no market left in Japan and the West is not going to be a savior for Japanese games with its weird art styles and effeminate characters and quirks either. |
Dude, seriously, make up your mind. Are you going to count western sales or not?
| Soundwave said: It's actually a double standard. Saying Tomb Raider for example should be on the PS4 isn't "laughable" it's treated as fact or an entitlement for example. Nintendo has sold the most hardware the last 10 years in Japan by two country miles. Their portables are the only thing that sell well in Japan. Saying that when it comes to the JAPANESE market they are entitled to some respect is not an outrageous claim. Sony's had 3 years now to build up the PS4 in Japan and gotten tons of Japanese developer support along with the announcement of Dragon Quest XI and still only have a mediocre 3.4 million systems to show for it. How are you supposed to sell a AAA Japanese game on a userbase that anemic? Japan needs a system that can sell 20 million units. This 3-4-5 million shit ain't gonna cut it. Nintendo Switch is the best hope for Japan, and developers (if they haven't already) better start waking up to that reality. PS4 is not taking the Japanese market anywhere. It's time for Japanese developers to refocus on the ONLY platform that has a real shot of breaking out in Japan and that's the Switch. |
Here's some very easy piece of factoid for you: Japanese developers don't sell their games only in Japan. They're not "supposed to sell a AAA Japanese game on an anemic userbase", because Japan gamers are not the entirety of that userbase. So spare us your ridiculous and disingenuous 3.4M userbase number.
Here's an other piece of fact for you: The Japanese developers are focusing more and more on the market where the Japanese userbase is: Mobile phones and tablets. The pretention that the Nintendo Switch is "the ONLY platform that has a shot of breaking out in Japan" is annihilated by this simple fact. And it exposes the agenda you are pushing.