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LadyJasmine said:
Mexico is likely to become a failed state if Trump carries on with his wall and economic war against Mexico

Perfect "rebound" for China to capitalize on. They would gladly lap up Chinese money and it would be very easy to whip up anti-American sentiment. 



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Egelo said:
Soundwave said:

This is the type of thinking that almost destroyed the world during the Cuban Missle Crisis during the actual Cold War. JFK's military chiefs were convinced nuclear war with Russia was inevitable, if he had listened to them likely most of central Europe, China, Russia, and the probably a major US city like New York would've been eradicated in nuclear war. 

JFK + Khruschev saved the world from more extremist elements in their power ranks, I have no doubt of it. The thinking that war is inevitable and thus a first strike must be implemented is extremely dangerous, none of us posting on this board would likely even be alive to post because human history would've been so radically different. 

lol no.  China is no miltary match they are not getting into a cold war with the US, Soviets did casuse thast all they had.  

China US will clash is coming, better it be now and a trade war.  Will balance out the world.  Letting them go uninterupted out of some patetic fear is well pathetic.

That's just stupidity. The US has the military capability of blowing up the world 4 times over, but China only has the capability of doing it once. When the power of each side is that huge, then relative size is irrelevant. Whatever the US does, China can still scorch a lot of earth in retaliation and it won't matter who wins that sort of military conflict.

The US cannot afford a direct military conflict with China. In some ways, because living in poverty, subsistence and low access to technology in the living memory of most of its population, makes China more resilient at managing the aftgermath of direct military conflict with the USA. The US military might be hard, but the US citizenry is soft.

The US also can't afford a trade war. And if the USA starts closing its doors, it only strengthen's China's hand.



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Soundwave said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Fuck China. Why does everyone have to bend over backwards for them to the point where the President of an independent country can't answer a call from another head of state?

I agree they should lay off Taiwan. 

On the other hand part of me says China isn't going to say "Fuck us? Oh ok, Mr. American guy. Yes, we'll fuck ourselves, you sure told us", and that'll be the end of that. 

I don't know if antagonizing them is a good play to make. 

They're actually antagonising themselves. Countries should be free to have relations with other countries without the fear of whether or not it will upset another country.



It woulnd become a cold war, chinese know they would lose and there is no upside for them turining it into that.  

If there would be another cold war, everyone would lose. Americans also profit from having all that cheap labour, you know. All that stuff people buy would not be sufficient if only Americans could produce it.



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The concern trolls are hilarious. Oh no Trump took a phone call then world is going to end. It's been a long time since America has had President with balls that actually wanted to do positive things for the American people. You'll get used to to it.



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Soundwave said:

1.) They are spending more and more of their money on military pretty consistently since 1988 or so. I don't see that slowing. The interesting (or scary) thing about China as a potential advasary is they could mobilize very quickly because of their monstrous industrial base and population size, in a scenario where they felt threatened they could rapidly increase the deadliness of their military very, very quickly. I've read for example they would be able to double or triple their nuclear aresenal almost overnight if they really wanted to. 

2.) There are lots of poor Latin American countries that China could sink its teeth into, they have a ton of money, Mexico would be a logical one to target though especially if they are going to be given the cold shoulder by the US. A few military bases doesn't mean giving up sovereignty in China's eyes it would just be the US getting a taste of their own medicine since the US has military bases everywhere in the world. This would be simply taking a page out of the USSR's playbook (alligning with Cuba to put pressure back on the US for having NATO bases everywhere). 

3.) Why? To be a dick. The same way Russia has, enraged that the US/EU may have pushed a coup in Ukraine have opted to give headaches by destabilizing Syria and creating a scenario in which Assad cannot be removed and flooding EU with migrants. Russia loves all that. China would play the same game, only it would be worse. It also really wouldn't cost that much. Arming a bunch of crazies doesn't cost much (unfortunately). 

1) China's military spending is pretty much below the world average if we take a look at the expenses to GDP ratio plus they can't exactly project much power outside of it's borders either. China's military is at least a decade behind the US in practically every area too. US also spends more on military relative to their GDP so it doesn't make any sense for China to spend more on a losing game. The only game that China is even winning in is the economic game so it doesn't make much sense for them to raise military spending given that there's absolutely no more incentives for them ... 

War is a very expensive game if we take a look at Iraq and China just straight up doesn't want to do it ... 

2) Not many Mexican's willing to sell their territories yet but they could definitely work out a deal with a country that's as desperate as Venezuela ... 

3) Now you're making out China's leaders to be like Trump, LOL. It's makes no logical sense for China's leaders to be compulsive dicks when it's not a necessity to do so in their favour most of the time. The only thing China wants is your money and land, nothing more ...



Soundwave said:
shikamaru317 said:

China is overreacting when it comes to the phone call.

As for rather it is wise to anger them, I don't think it matters all that much. It's not like they're going to go to war over this, and even if they did, Trump and Putin seem to have a better relationship than Jinping and Putin have, and it would be unwise for China to get into a fight with 2 other superpowers at once. 

Putin doesn't really give two shits about Trump, he is manipulating him to his own ends. He's smart. 

Russia would love a war between China/US ... if such a war was devastating enough who would be left as the world's super power? Take a wild guess. 

Re-establishing the global dominance of Russia with a weakened/potentially crippled America, a devastated China, and an impotent Germany ... it would be the greatest triumph imaginable for the Soviet block, the ultimate revenge for the fall of the USSR which Putin has said is the greatest tragedy in modern history. 

This sounds like the plot for a very good sequel to a movie



 

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I think taking the call from Taiwan was fine and sent a message.

However going on Twitter to post antagonizing Tweets I think is ... probably not wise.

I think things like that are going to push extremist elements in the Chinese government to force their own leadership to respond and beef up their own military more urgently which isn't a good thing.

Then you will have hardliners in the Trump camp telling him he has to respond to that, and the whole cycle of stupidity keeps escalating.



Soundwave said:
Azuren said:
Taking a phone call for congratulations doesn't mean anything. If China wants to get pissed off because of that, then fuck'em.

The media is blowing this out of proportion. It was a ten minute congratulations, not a four hour meeting.

I'm referring more to these tweets Trump put out today on purpose:

 

There's no real need to post these Tweets now, seems like poking a bear to see what will happen. 

It seems less like poking the bear and more like poking back, since China was the one to come out first and say "Hey, you can't accept that phone call!"

 

I believe the world has forgotten in the presence of Obama that America can poke back (though doing so on Twitter is pretty juvenile).



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Soundwave said:
I think taking the call from Taiwan was fine and sent a message.

However going on Twitter to post antagonizing Tweets I think is ... probably not wise.

Actually China is much more pissed about the president of US recognizing a nation they believe is part of China, than what he tweets about.

Anyway since he's pro-Putin it only makes sense he's anti-China.