amdboomer said:
Just like Street Fighter 5 needed to crash and burn to show Capcom without X1 it would not be successful. |
Difference is SFV crashed because they released an incomplete game.
I see the "$60 for a year old game!?!" comment more and more.
As if "Game of the Year" editions never existed.
As if Mass Effect 2 and Bioshock didn't cost $60 when they were ported to PS3
As is EVERY game that released in 2015 costs less than $60, now.
As if RotTR doesn't technically push the PS4 Pro, offer all of the DLC, AND an exclusive PSVR mode.
It's not a rip-off. Fun doesn't have an expiration date, does it?
| d21lewis said: I see the "$60 for a year old game!?!" comment more and more. As if "Game of the Year" editions never existed. As if Mass Effect 2 and Bioshock didn't cost $60 when they were ported to PS3 As is EVERY game that released in 2015 costs less than $60, now. As if RotTR doesn't technically push the PS4 Pro, offer all of the DLC, AND an exclusive PSVR mode. It's not a rip-off. Fun doesn't have an expiration date, does it? |
But it's perceived as an old game now. Everyone was talking about it a year ago, yes. For the PS4 launch, you didn't even get a lot of reviews by gaming websites, few articles, a bit of marketing only... And on the other hand, you have a lot of new games or future games eveybody talks about, so it's really not surprising that people didn't even notice this one released on PS4. Also, the best seller PS4 bundle is the Uncharted 4 bundle. If buyers want to buy another game with the bundle, it surely won't be Tomb Raider, it's too similar (and others PS4 owners who already played UC4 don't necessarily want to buy a similar game at full price now with so much other games releasing).
It's almost a stealth release at this point, the price is only one issue. It's not a rip-off, but considering everything going around this game since last year, the other issues of the launch, the marketing, the timing, the fact that it's found easily a lot cheaper on PC... The price is just an additionnal reason to not buy it for now.
Faelco said:
But it's perceived as an old game now. Everyone was talking about it a year ago, yes. For the PS4 launch, you didn't even get a lot of reviews by gaming websites, few articles, a bit of marketing only... And on the other hand, you have a lot of new games or future games eveybody talks about, so it's really not surprising that people didn't even notice this one released on PS4. Also, the best seller PS4 bundle is the Uncharted 4 bundle. If buyers want to buy another game with the bundle, it surely won't be Tomb Raider, it's too similar (and others PS4 owners who already played UC4 don't necessarily want to buy a similar game at full price now with so much other games releasing). It's almost a stealth release at this point, the price is only one issue. It's not a rip-off, but considering everything going around this game since last year, the other issues of the launch, the marketing, the timing, the fact that it's found easily a lot cheaper on PC... The price is just an additionnal reason to not buy it for now. |
I understand that. I just don't like it. It sucks seeing a game that, in my opinion, is better than literally 99% of the available games on ANY console getting pooped on daily. Yes, Square made some questionable decisions but that doesn't change the fact that a great game is available for purchase right now and nobody appears to be interested in buying it. Only talking about it.
| d21lewis said: I understand that. I just don't like it. It sucks seeing a game that, in my opinion, is better than literally 99% of the available games on ANY console getting pooped on daily. Yes, Square made some questionable decisions but that doesn't change the fact that a great game is available for purchase right now and nobody appears to be interested in buying it. Only talking about it. |
The saddest thing is that most people don't even talk about it...
(I like to talk about it because it's a really interesting case to follow, but I didn't like the 2013 reboot so I won't buy it unless I have nothing else to play, which won't happen for a very long time...)
Faelco said:
The saddest thing is that most people don't even talk about it... |
That hurt, Faelco. You've hurt me more than any man has ever hurt me in my entire life. 😞
CGI-Quality said:
Bingo! Probably the biggest mistakes in the entire ordeal. |
i do feel that the launch date is microsofts fault as well. they were the ones publishing the game, and they seemed to want an exclusive releasing in sep, oct and nov.
they didnt want to release Tomb Raider in Oct because there was halo releasing that month. even though if it did they could have had a much better release window for tomb raider. i feel thats one of the reasons why the MS deal was hurtfull to the game and franchise.
d21lewis said:
That hurt, Faelco. You've hurt me more than any man has ever hurt me in my entire life. 😞 |
You'll recover, hopefully ^^
Slightly less than the XBO version despite being released a year later and still at full price? I think those sales are surprisingly good.
padib said:
That's twitter though, nobody cares about fans on that, it's full of garbage posts. Anyways on Vgchartz, yes it is that. Not perfect but not bad either. |
Yes, we all know that on VGC and in the rest of the world PS fanbase is the worse there is and that all the others are fair and square.
Faelco said:
I'm barely exaggerating on the crying if you read the entire thread with the complaints about PS fans being mean ^^. What do you mean, "I'm crying" ? You said, and I quote :
And I explained why it's normal that there are a lot more reactions when a game skips the PS4 than when it skips the XOne. One of them is a lot more risky and makes less sense than the other. It's not at all a good business decision when the money hat makes you lose money at the end. We could argue about "does MS check for this game cover for the losses in sales because of this fiasco, for this game and the next one", but the CEO of Crystal Dynamics "left" after the failed launch last year, and the next TR game is apparently given to another studio entirely. Square Enix kinda answered this question already. If Square Enix sold the exclusivity of FF15 on the XBox One for a million dollar, would it be a "decent business decision"? It's "free" after all according to you.... |
The thing I don't quite get is, wasn't SE that made the decision since they are not only the publisher but also the mother company?
padib said:
I know, but the result is something that happened after (CEO losing his job and losing the IP). You can't blame that on a decision made much before knowing the outcome. I understand that there's a good chance the decision was made a little later after launch, but the same logic applies. I know you consider it safer to release multi-platform before risking early in launch, but in all gens some devs took a risk. It even happened with games like Blue Dragon and other Mistwalker games and sure some people were unhappy but the reaction aren't like the people who feel like MS was trying to get a UC rip-off. And that's what displeases me about the reactions. A game like Gears of War was exclusive to the X360 early in the existence of the console, and it did very well. The same could be said about Mass Effect. On the other hand, for PS3, you had exclusives and most were japanese which fit with the console and it paid off. The best example is the Souls series. It's not like Tomb Raider isn't a popular series in America. Also, in the GC days, Resident Evil 4 was a gamecube timed exclusive, yet it still ended up doing great on the PS2. Is it possible then perhaps that there is some kind of snubbing by PS fans because this game was trying to compete with a Sony exclusive? Perhaps last gen Tomb Raider worked on PS because UC was still new, but now UC has cemented itself to be the goto game for this type of experience on PS. We don't have the answers to any of those questions, so I would submit to you that it's best not to be bitter about this kind of thing, especially when it happens on both sides all the time, and I don't hear that many Nintendo or Xbox fans (nowadays at least) complaining about it. It's been years Nintendo fans have been starving for a mainline final fantasy. Think about that for a second. |
All decisions are made before knowing the result of that decision, for that you make scenarios. And is perfectly health to hold the decision maker accountable for their decision. Risk is necessary, but need to be calculated, and when you make such a bad decision it's natural that it will haunt you.
You are comparing new franchises (that is quite natural to bet on a exclusivity deal to gain exposure) to ones that were previously recognizable on the other platform. It's quite different situation.
And sorry to inform you, there were a lot of bitter X1 consumers about SF V deal, and in this case it was clearly show that Capcom didn't had money to make SF V by themselves but TR was already on the making when the deal was struck.
No people weren't upset because the game became set to compete against UC4, because that was fully know that UC4 would smoke it in sales.
| d21lewis said: I see the "$60 for a year old game!?!" comment more and more. As if "Game of the Year" editions never existed. As if Mass Effect 2 and Bioshock didn't cost $60 when they were ported to PS3 As is EVERY game that released in 2015 costs less than $60, now. As if RotTR doesn't technically push the PS4 Pro, offer all of the DLC, AND an exclusive PSVR mode. It's not a rip-off. Fun doesn't have an expiration date, does it? |
Well you do know about perceived value and considering we had UC4 so close to fill the needs and this is a year old port that on the competition is already selling for 30 it's hard to justify selling it for 60 even more when the person can consider that the publisher made then wait for one year so why not wait another one and pick it cheaper?
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