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KLAMarine on 19 November 2016
DonFerrari said:
KLAMarine said:

I get you've never seen it happen with your own eyes but this doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I've never seen a murder with my own eyes but it doesn't mean they don't happen.

Going back to the image part, Microsoft has not shyed away from using X1's backwards compatibility as a selling point and rightfully so. PS4 can't play PS3 games last I checked but the XBox 1 can play a growing list of 360 games. This is opportunity for Microsoft: someone who owns 360 games and has not purchased an X1 would see another reason to invest in an X1. The convenience of being able to play 360 games on their X1 much like people who bought a PS2 could play PS1 games on it. Someone with PS3 games might hold back on buying a PS4 since the PS4 don't do PS3 games.

How do you know this is the biggest contributor? I'm sure word of mouth and social circles are contributors but the biggest?

Speaking of word of mouth, there's positive word of mouth in this very thread with the way Microsoft has been handling their console.

yes sure... just like PS3 sales dropped after removing the Backward compatibility to PS2 and the X1 took almost one year to see its sale increase due to backward compatibility, yes it makes sense.

BC is not the only variable at play here. Correct me if I'm wrong but removing PS2 BC on the PS3 meant the PS3's price could be slashed which at one point in time cost $600.

Intrinsic said:
KLAMarine said:

Going back to the image part, Microsoft has not shyed away from using X1's backwards compatibility as a selling point and rightfully so. PS4 can't play PS3 games last I checked but the XBox 1 can play a growing list of 360 games. This is opportunity for Microsoft: someone who owns 360 games and has not purchased an X1 would see another reason to invest in an X1. The convenience of being able to play 360 games on their X1 much like people who bought a PS2 could play PS1 games on it. Someone with PS3 games might hold back on buying a PS4 since the PS4 don't do PS3 games.

How do you know this is the biggest contributor? I'm sure word of mouth and social circles are contributors but the biggest?

Speaking of word of mouth, there's positive word of mouth in this very thread with the way Microsoft has been handling their console.

XB1 BC isnt something new. Its been going on since 2024. You reslly need to stop talking abiut this thing like its some be all end all feature. Its been around since 2014

No, I think it just recently celebrated its one-year anniversary so X1 BC started November 2015:

http://news.xbox.com/2016/11/10/xbox-one-backward-compatibility-skate-3/

http://news.xbox.com/2015/11/12/new-xbox-one-experience-begins-today/

http://news.xbox.com/2015/11/09/introducing-your-first-104-xbox-one-backward-compatibility-games/

Intrinsic said:

that's all still not stopped the PS4 from outselling the XB1 on average almost 2:1 globally all that time. And whats funny is that a feature like that is more important at the start of a new gen when there are slim pickings of new 8th gen titles to play. Not now when the 8th gen library has been fleshed out. 

No but one must ask how much bigger the gap might have been if not for Microsoft working hard to turn their fortunes around: lowering prices, offering more appealing bundles, being less restrictive with their modding policy, 4K Bluray player support, and I think even outspending Sony at times in marketing their console.

Intrinsic said:

And i swear you sound like an MS PR head. BC is not nearly as important as you try and make it out to be. No matter how much you and MS talk it up. Just look at the sales, hasn't sales over the past 3yrs been proof enough what gamers want and what they feel is important to them?

Not always: just because something sells really well doesn't always mean it's what gamers want: No Man's Sky sold very well especially considering it was made by a tiny team of 15 or so people and yet its legacy is not currently a positive one.

GTA 5 sold incredibly well and yet I find the game to be terrible.

Intrinsic said:

And giving credit is very very different from word of mouth. In this very thread I've aknowledged that MS has done well to try and turn their ship around or at the very least make the most of what they have. But when my friend comes into my house and sees me playing FF15, I'm not going tell him to go and get an XB1 even though the game is also on it. And when he gets his PS4, he will tell his own friends to get a PS4. That's how word of mouth works. 

Giving credit is still positive press for XB1 (Microsoft would thank you for it, I'm sure) much like good word of mouth. I repeat once again that positively changing the image of XBox is a gain, not a loss.



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KLAMarine on 19 November 2016
3sexty said:
KLAMarine said:

First it was the debacle that was No Man's Sky which Sony put its marketing behind. Then it was Sony's restrictive modding policy with regards to Bethesda's Fallout 4 and Skyrim games. Microsoft has been less restrictive in that regard. Then the PS4Pro not being able to play 4K Blurays which the XB1S can, Microsoft made sure to emphasize. Also, the PS4Pro being weaker specs-wise than the upcoming Scorpio, Microsoft doing a better job of implementing backwards compatibility, and even Microsoft claiming their gaming network is the better one (not sure how true that is).

Also, if memory serves (no pun intended), external storage on the PS4 and PS4 Pro is a hassle compared to the X1.

Not mention of course that the ps4 slim is exactly the same machine as the bigger original with no added features whatsover like hdr, 4k, 4k blu ray. The One s offers all of this value  add at no extra price. Sony tripped up big time wth the ps4 slim, i mean it is not even cheper than the one s. Of course savy western consumers are goin to pick on this type of thing. Its all about perception, - one s providing a 4k hdr experience for 100 buckes cheaper then the ps 4 pro. I do not think the ps4 pro will outsell the one slim (u.s & u.k)moving forward. The price diff is too great.

Perception: that's a key word. I didn't watch the unveiling of the PS4Pro but I've heard second-hand that audiences were not too thrilled by it.



thismeintiel on 19 November 2016

The answer is quite simple. The Pro. I expect the same thing to happen to the XBO once the Scorpio's actual launch date is announced. Need proof? Look at the online sites.

On Amazon, the Pro is #9 for the month of Nov, with the next console on the list being the PS4 UC4 Bundle at #31. On Gamestop, the Pro is the first home console on the bestsellers list at #13, with the 2nd one being the PS4 COD Bundle at #24. On Best Buy, the Pro is the first console at #12, the next one being the PS4 UC4 Bundle at #26. On Target, the first console is the PS4 UC4 Bundel at #7, but the Pro isn't far behind at #12. Walmart seems like the only retailer where the Pro isn't setting the charts on fire, but it's still doing decently at # 42.

I think people expecting poor sales from the Pro and/or a XBO win are setting themselves up for disappointment come NPD. Definitely at the end of the year when Sony announces 55M+ shipped.



 

Soonerman on 19 November 2016

The US market is the most important market to win so by default, Xbox has been winning the world just because of that so Sony should be concerned



thismeintiel on 20 November 2016
Soonerman said:
The US market is the most important market to win so by default, Xbox has been winning the world just because of that so Sony should be concerned

The PS4 is still ahead in the US by over 1.2M, so PS4 is winning the world, both literally and by that strange standard.



 

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foodfather on 20 November 2016

I'm glad it's happening, but I'm honestly baffled as to why.

The software isn't exactly lighting up the charts (fprza and gears) are not system sellers.

4k bluray is not a draw since 4k bluray sales are very small. Even the design itself is a bit naff, but it definitely looks better than the PS4S.

Other little things could be the epic library of XO and 360 games and the fact that differences I'm the ps4 versions of multiplatform games are getting less significant. I don't belive in these 1.5 consoles so I'm hoping it's not just the case of "people waiting for PS4 PRO.



craighopkins on 20 November 2016

ps4pro is the answer



3sexty on 20 November 2016
craighopkins said:
ps4pro is the answer

Sorry but no it isnt. most people will go the affordable option. The slim versions of both consoles will sell the most.



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Zoombael on 20 November 2016

Why isn't this thread closed by now?

 

foodfather said:
I'm glad it's happening, but I'm honestly baffled as to why.

The software isn't exactly lighting up the charts (fprza and gears) are not system sellers.

4k bluray is not a draw since 4k bluray sales are very small. Even the design itself is a bit naff, but it definitely looks better than the PS4S.

Other little things could be the epic library of XO and 360 games and the fact that differences I'm the ps4 versions of multiplatform games are getting less significant. I don't belive in these 1.5 consoles so I'm hoping it's not just the case of "people waiting for PS4 PRO.

Apparently, they are system sellers. At least GoW4 is. Evidently. Over half of physical purchases were made in the US and system sales spike during week of release.

 

I don't understand all the hubbub. It's not like PS and Xbox were dominating those particular regions. There never was a significant gap between them.

 

3sexty said:
craighopkins said:
ps4pro is the answer

Sorry but no it isnt. most people will go the affordable option. The slim versions of both consoles will sell the most.

You're saying not even PS4 was affordable at release?



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3sexty on 20 November 2016
Zoombael said:

Why isn't this thread closed by now?

 

foodfather said:
I'm glad it's happening, but I'm honestly baffled as to why.

The software isn't exactly lighting up the charts (fprza and gears) are not system sellers.

4k bluray is not a draw since 4k bluray sales are very small. Even the design itself is a bit naff, but it definitely looks better than the PS4S.

Other little things could be the epic library of XO and 360 games and the fact that differences I'm the ps4 versions of multiplatform games are getting less significant. I don't belive in these 1.5 consoles so I'm hoping it's not just the case of "people waiting for PS4 PRO.

Apparently, they are system sellers. At least GoW4 is. Evidently. Over half of physical purchases were made in the US and system sales spike during week of release.

 

I don't understand all the hubbub. It's not like PS and Xbox were dominating those particular regions. There never was a significant gap between them.

 

3sexty said:

Sorry but no it isnt. most people will go the affordable option. The slim versions of both consoles will sell the most.

You're saying not even PS4 was affordable at release?

its all relative now as we have much cheeper slim variants.  The pro is not that much of a huge leap forward that you would find in a next gen release such as a ps5 or xbox next.  Sorry but Sony have really dropped the ball with this..I believe a trend has developed here with the xbox one slim - u.s and u.k.



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