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What was the most exciting Playstation era?

Playstation 1 87 23.77%
 
Playstation 2 154 42.08%
 
Playstation 3 47 12.84%
 
I think Playstation 4 wil... 78 21.31%
 
Total:366

Very much agreed Reim! It's just not my preference for these ultra realistic games, I'd rather have more games like Sly, Jak, and Ratchet. New IPs in those veins. Less movie like games, etc.

All opinion obviously.



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Every artistic medium (movies, music, games) goes through stages.

1. Dawn - Filled with bold experimentation because there are no rules.

2. Prime - "Golden Age" where product is fine tuned through lessons.

3. Saturation - Industry becomes risk averse in investments, sticks with what is proven

Should keep in mind that by stage three markets segment with "indies" or "underground" scenes where experimentation still thrives. Also, these are generalizations and obviously exceptions exist. Bloodborne is one of my favorite games of past decade and it was big hyped release. If enough people demand something different from current popular norm the market will follow.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Well, I'd argue first party software has never been Sony's strength. It's made its name by creating an environment attractive to third parties. Same for Microsoft.

Since neither Sony nor Microsoft have a lot of talent in their first party studios they're both dependent on the quality of games from Activision, EA, Ubisoft, Take Two, etc. Those big-name games have been getting worse over the last ten years so both ecosystems suffer as a result.

Nintendo, with its amazing first party content, is somewhat shielded from that problem.

The problem unique to Sony is that it's made cinematic and experimental games its focus over the past two generations, which tend to have low replay value and/or shallow gameplay.

So I agree that Sony has entered a decadent period, but so too has the entire industry.

Bold one. First party has always been a strength of Sony and all the best selling consoles had major third party support for each company dating back to Atari. Even the Wii had games like Dance Revolution ( or whatever), Lega games and that fitness games to push the sales. Notcie how the Xbox One is struggling without any standout exclusives (not saying their games are bad, they just don't sell the console) and the PS3's main selling point were exclusives. Myself and plenty of others would not have bought PS hardware if the exclusives were not appealing. Sony's games have dominated MS games and notice the WiiU could not sell with only Nintendo games. It was the same with the Game Cube and Rare made the N64 relevant. So every company needs third party and that is a fact.

Bold two. Can not speak for MS, but Sony has a ton of talentned first party developers. Some who have been around since the 80s. Dony is not dependent ont he quality of any third party, as their games are much better designed. They really separated themselves last generation from third parties witht he quality and polish of their games. No third party game comes close to the level of Sony's games technically or craftsmanship period. I have played tons of third party games and the games lack the quality of Sony's exclusives easily. Now as far as concepts and ideas, that is up for debate. Really it's only COD and GTA that are monsters in sales and they sell the most of Xbox too. They outsell all of Nintendo's games combined as well.

Bold three. What amazing first party content has Nintendo produced recently or since the Game Cube at least? Nintendo has consecutively regressed as a game developers and onyl relying on nastalgia, gimmicks, spinoffs and milking franchises. Outside of Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart and Metroid they have nothing that stands out. None of those games have evolved since getting a 3D engine and they are cheaply made games that lack polish and good game designs. Really Nintendo still makes games as if it were the mid 90s on the N64. Their games are not relevant to today's gaming industry as Sony has shaped the industry with their games. Like it or not Sony's so called "Cinematic" games sell and the rest of the industry has followed their lead -minus Nintendo- with more consumers than ever playing games. 

It's interesting that you criticise Sony, but praise Nintendo when their most successful console (Wii) was inspired by a Sony idea from the EyeyToy and Nintendo even copied allof Sony's EyeToy games. So they must be doing something right with game development. Kinect also copied the EyeToy and that was also MS most successful console, which both got their ideas from the PS2. The Last of Us was the best game last generation as well as one of the greatest games ever created. When is the last time Nintnedo created a masterpiece? Matter of fact, only Ocarina of time can claim that standard. Sony has at least two more with Ico and SoTC. I personally think Uncharted 2 and God of War 3 are also masterpieces.

Bold four. This really does not make any sense whatsoever. I mean what makes "cinematic" game lack replay value or have shallow gameplay? Games like Uncharted and God of War have been praised by numerous people in the emdia and outside of the media for their gameplay. You are definately in the minority and no one I know personally feels that way. So once again, they are doing something right. Further more this term "cinametic' is bogus, as most ames have some form of cinematics (even Nintendo, just bad ones) and they have been a part of gaming for decades. You sayt this with COD in your avatar, which is a known cinematic, repetitive, generic, shallow shooting game and not half as good as any of Sony's games for single palyer. Replay value does not exist anyway, as no one really replays games on a large scale and multiplayer exists for games like Uncharted, which is still being played by millions as is TLoU:R. Once again, what are you talking about? 

FYI Sony has not even made that many cinematic games outside of the forementioned. I think you need to take a closer look at how many of Sony's games are actually "cinematic" Yous ay this with The Last Guardian, Gravity and Horizon: Zero Dawn all coming within months of each other and games like Hot Shots, Gran Turismo Sport and Dreams in development. Sony maybe you really need to look much closer before you generalize. I love cinematic games as does millions of other people, which is why they keep making them. Again, you are way off and I am glad that they do not listen to people like you, because then they would fail and I would not enjoy their games as much. Cinematic games make gameplay and control more immersive that gives you a better experience. So what exactly is the problem with them? 

They are far from a period of descent with recently releasing two of the best games of the generation earlier this year in Ratchet & Clank (not cinematic so did you buy it?) and Uncharted 4 after having already released another great game last year with Bloodborne (also not cinemtaic and did you buy it?). People who complain about wanting certain type of games and then buy the opposite really are the problem. All you people complaning are buying the games you claim you don't want. Really lol.



twintail said:
ReimTime said:

TLDR: Third parties began to dominate the market, similar games became popular, the strive for realism has taken precedence

So that explains:

2006 Genji

2007 Folklore, Motorostorm, Eye of Judgement, Ratchet and Clank, Calling all Cars, PixelJunk, Super Stardust

 2008 Afrika, LittleBigPlanet, Everybodys Golf, Echochrome, Wipeout HD, 

2009 Demons Souls, EyePet, Fat Princess, Flower

2010 Modnation Racers, Sports Champions

2011 Bleach, Move Ape Escape

2012 PSBR, Sorcery, Journey, Unfinished Swan, Tokyo Jungle, When Vikings Attack

2013 Invizimals, Puppeteer, Sly Cooper, Wonderbook, Doki Doki Universe, Rain, Knack, Playroom, Escape Plan, Resogun, Sound Shapes

2014 Counterspy, Entwined, Helldivers, 

2015 Bloodborne, Tearaway,

2016 Gravity Daze, The Last Guardian, Bound, The Tomorrow Children, Rigs


And of course the sequels many of these have. And there are the PSP and Vita games they made during this same time period like Loco Roco, Patapon, Oreshika etc.

People always crack me up how they complain about "cinematic" games -nothng wrong with cinema as games like MGIS, FF, RE and Hlf-Life were cinematic and people loved them- as if Sony is the only one who makes them and they ignore all the none "cinematic" games while buying "cinematic" games. I bet most of these people never bought any of the games you named or games such as Ni No Kuni and Dragon's Crown, which I bought both as well as Sly Cooper, Knack, LBP, Puppeteer and many more. I bought a Vita to play Gravity Rush and Tearway too, but I bet most of these people didn't do that?

These people just complain, but suppor the annual sequels such as COD, BF and keep buying games like GTA, which is very "cinematic". I never understood this "games are getting too realistic" slogan. games will never be realistic and look nothing like reality. When we were younger we wished we had graphics as good as this generation. It's like people cherry pick what they want to see and ignore the truth. I expect every complainer in this thred to pick up all 3 games, TLG, GR2 and HZD when they release. If you don't, then stop coplaining, because "YOU" are the problem, not Sony.



Slade6alpha said:
Very much agreed Reim! It's just not my preference for these ultra realistic games, I'd rather have more games like Sly, Jak, and Ratchet. New IPs in those veins. Less movie like games, etc.

All opinion obviously.

I hope you bought every game you named as well as Dragon's Crown, Puppeteer, Knack, LBP, Modnation Racers, Gravity Rush and Tearaway, because I did. I know you didn't, so what are you complainging about exactly? Once again, no games are "movie" like. That is a ridiculous term. Games have always been interactive entertainment, so what exactly are you complainging about? You are mad at games for being what they are supposed to be? Wow.

If you got those games you named, then you got what you wanted. Not everyone like those games and the main demogrraphic for games are adults, who don't think those games are interesting. I am fortune to be one of the people with varied taste who enjoy all types of games and don't have a closed mind to ignore a game becuase it does not fit a narrow scope of what I feel a game should be.

If the developers thought that way, then none of the games you liked would ever be created and there would be evenmore less diversity. Gamers are a funny bunch, they are doing the same things that they are complaning about. You want games to only be one way, then complain about how games are only a certain way. lol.

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I can understand the sentiment as a whole, but Sony tries far more to have diverse content than any other publisher. You look back to their PS1 catalogue, but their PS3 offerings were more diverse than any other platform.

I'd recommend people to branch out, try new things, and don't look at sales charts and Metacritic as a buying guide.



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Cloudman said:

Yes, I've been getting similar feelings lately that gaming is getting a little more dull than it used to be, and I've felt that it's the push in technology and big 3rd party games that have been leading it down this muddier ground. Less these days do I see fun, creative looking games with ranging variety and more so pushing for better visuals and details as well as more realistic characters. It's why I haven't really been interested in many of the modern popular games these days. They don't look very interest to me.

Also, the way trailers are made these days also bother me. It feels more so they're presenting a movie than a game. I'm seeing gameplay as the leading parts of trailers less and less lately, and it's just making me rather disappointed with where the industry is moving to.

I have the exact same feelings when it comes to this subject.



This is why the industry needs Nintendo to keep doing its own thing. To fight the cinematic experience evil and all those brown shooters.



PlayStation has now become a way of life in our household. So it really isn't "dull," it's just the way it is.



PS1 and PS2 succeeded off of 3rd party more than their own games. I wouldn't even look at Mariom F-Zero, Sly, Spyro or Jak and Daxter again in terms of 1st party. I play Persona 3 and Xenogears yearly though. I loved all the JRPGs from the PS1 and PS2 era. I love them now as well. I don't think Sony is dull at all. I think now that high budget AAA games are the norm we're getting disappointing with the offerings. Quite the contrary opinion for me though. I'm disappointed in M$ and Nin10do and probably won't buy hardware from them again. I like 3rd party more than 1st party, always have. So as long as Sony Japan and the 3rd parties keep putting out games, I'll keep gaming.



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