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Trump is the president. What do you think?

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Chris Hu said:
Ronster316 said:
So even though there is video EVIDENCE right there in front of you're eyes, you would rather discredit the source than admit that he is a lying sack of shit? Clearly a CNN, MSNBC watcher and a New York Times reader. It's ok, the MSM will soon be finished, then reality will kick in.

 

Nice, try but I don't have cable so I don't watch any of those and since I don't live nowhere near NYC I don't read the Times either not there is something wrong with reading it since its one of the oldest and most respected newspapers in the world but a guy that eats Alex Jones BS wouldn't know that. Again come back at me with a credible source not a source where most of the people wear tin heads during their spear time. Better yet come back at me when you run out snake oil.

All i will say is this......... The New York Times APOLOGISED the other day for their clear BIAS during the ELECTION... look it up for yourself.

Respected? absolutely not. Deluded? Abso-bloody-lutely. http://truthfeed.com/breaking-the-failing-new-york-times-issues-an-apology-to-its-readers-for-biased-reporting/35225/

Media coverage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP1znDii_tY



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StarDoor said:
Nem said:

This comes back to what i said. Your pov is dangerous. You are here outloud blaming others for your problems. You say they weaken the economy. That is simply not true. You talk about them like an organised entity out to get your stuff. That is not true. Make the streets unsafe, not true again. 

This is just like saying that every black guy is a thief and we should deport them. No, this is not the kind of values a society or anyone should thrive for. 

Besides, what do you think this does? A western power blows up their homes and when they come looking for asylum you say they are evil and should go back? This will lead people to desperation. Desperate people do desperate things. THAT is dangerous.

I honestly completely disagree with you. 

Look, i don't know politics in every country. I'm more familiar with Portugal, and the party you just mentioned probably doesnt even get 1% of the votes. Doesn't even have a single deputy in the assemble nor is close to getting one. So... i dunno. Though i do know that there are oppotunistic people that will try to use this alarmist rethoric to reel in guys like you. But not to worry because just like with brexit, everyone will regret it soon enough. 

No one is blaming the immigrants themselves. We blame the traitorous (Left-wing) elites in our countries that let these people in and silence opposition.

Yes, they absolutely weaken the economy. They don't have to be an organized entity to be out for our stuff; they're just acting in their own self-interest, which is to receive aid from European and American taxpayers.

They do make the streets unsafe. Ever heard of no-go zones? How about the Cologne sexual assaults?

Saying this is "just like deporting every black guy" is a fallacy. We know that, on average, these migrants are more criminally-inclined and less economically productive than the rest of the population. We don't have any moral obligation to accept them, espeically not when so many of them spit on our hospitality.

And once again, who do you think controls the Western powers blowing up their homes? The elite. Most Europeans and Americans don't want to blow up the rest of the world, and they certainly don't want to then invite those people into their countries, because now those migrants have greivances against the Western countries that they're entering. Is it any wonder that there's so much home-grown terrorism among Middle Easterners and North Africans in Europe?

Not to mention the fact that most of these "refugees" aren't even refugees at all:

https://www.rt.com/news/330284-economic-migrants-eu-refugees/

Oh, and one more thing: No one regrets Brexit.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-no-regrets-brexit-polling-8882527

You continue with the same overpropotionate alarmist rhetoric. Immigrants may need social support at the start, but they do not use up the majority of the social system, quite the contrary.

Assaults happened in one occasion across many many thousands of refugee's. You condemn them all for the actions of only a few. Again, rhetoric without sense of proprotion. The balance is probably the same or lower than a native doing the same thing. Actually, if we are talking about the US. How about those shootings? Was it immigrants?

No, its not a fallacy. Saying that all your troubles come from immigrants and saying that sending them away will solve them is the fallacy.

The latest refugee wave was actually cause by Russia, go figure. Because the US was passive. See, you can;t put your hand on the cake and then pretend you didn't. The cake will just fall appart. The middle east is indeed the problem, and that is where it can be solved. Not with extremism.

Oh and btw, two can play that game: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html

The english know they gone and messed up. They were also brainwashed (the prone to) into thinking that someone else is the cause of all their problems. It is incredibly easy to blame others for your problem. Its difficult to get up and solve them together. 

What is most funny is that this is exactly what Hitler did when he rose to power. But alas, too many people are still just too easy to manipulate.



Nem said:

You continue with the same overpropotionate alarmist rhetoric. Immigrants may need social support at the start, but they do not use up the majority of the social system, quite the contrary.

Assaults happened in one occasion across many many thousands of refugee's. You condemn them all for the actions of only a few. Again, rhetoric without sense of proprotion. The balance is probably the same or lower than a native doing the same thing. Actually, if we are talking about the US. How about those shootings? Was it immigrants?

No, its not a fallacy. Saying that all your troubles come from immigrants and saying that sending them away will solve them is the fallacy.

The latest refugee wave was actually cause by Russia, go figure. Because the US was passive. See, you can;t put your hand on the cake and then pretend you didn't. The cake will just fall appart. The middle east is indeed the problem, and that is where it can be solved. Not with extremism.

Oh and btw, two can play that game: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html

The english know they gone and messed up. They were also brainwashed (the prone to) into thinking that someone else is the cause of all their problems. It is incredibly easy to blame others for your problem. Its difficult to get up and solve them together. 

What is most funny is that this is exactly what Hitler did when he rose to power. But alas, too many people are still just too easy to manipulate.

The only way you could think that it's over-proportionate is if you ignore statistics. Do the native populations of European countries create no-go zones where the police can't enforce laws because of how dangerous it is?

Yes, you are using a straw-man fallacy if you think that ending immigration is the same as kicking out all immigrants already here.

Your Brexit article was published two months earlier than mine at a time when the stock market was down. It's rebounded, so obviously no Leave voters have any regrets anymore.

You are so ideologically blinded that you can't even accept that immigration could have any downsides whatsoever. Furthermore, saying that immigration causes problems is not the same thing as saying that ALL problems are caused by immigration.

The only person being manipulated is you, because for your entire life you've been taught by propagandists how wonderful immigrants are and how diversity is our greatest strength. Now, when you encounter conflicting information, you just dismiss it.



Ronster316 said:
Chris Hu said:

 

Nice, try but I don't have cable so I don't watch any of those and since I don't live nowhere near NYC I don't read the Times either not there is something wrong with reading it since its one of the oldest and most respected newspapers in the world but a guy that eats Alex Jones BS wouldn't know that. Again come back at me with a credible source not a source where most of the people wear tin heads during their spear time. Better yet come back at me when you run out snake oil.

All i will say is this......... The New York Times APOLOGISED the other day for their clear BIAS during the ELECTION... look it up for yourself.

Respected? absolutely not. Deluded? Abso-bloody-lutely. http://truthfeed.com/breaking-the-failing-new-york-times-issues-an-apology-to-its-readers-for-biased-reporting/35225/

Media coverage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP1znDii_tY

 

I get it the New York Times isn't a reliable source since it isn't a mouthpice for the Republican Party like Fox News or associated with clinical insane people like Alex Jones. Anyway its been nice talking to you again get back at me when you run out of snake oil or when your supply of tin foil hats runs out I'm sure I can help you with either one of those.

Chris Hu said:
Ronster316 said:

All i will say is this......... The New York Times APOLOGISED the other day for their clear BIAS during the ELECTION... look it up for yourself.

Respected? absolutely not. Deluded? Abso-bloody-lutely. http://truthfeed.com/breaking-the-failing-new-york-times-issues-an-apology-to-its-readers-for-biased-reporting/35225/

Media coverage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP1znDii_tY

 

I get it the New York Times isn't a reliable source since it isn't a mouthpice for the Republican Party like Fox News or associated with clinical insane people like Alex Jones. Anyway its been nice talking to you again get back at me when you run out of snake oil or when your supply of tin foil hats runs out I'm sure I can help you with either one of those.

So, are you just incapable of making a coherent argument? Can you say nothing but "snake oil," "tin foil hats," and "Alex Jones"?



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And one more time......... because this is without a doubt the funniest thing i have seen all year......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDVU_TGLJU0



Nem said:
Slimebeast said:

Don't try to use tricks please, tricks that failed even since I'm not even American.

Just look at the issue from a European context. Should be easy since you live in the Netherlands.

What does your policy has to offer all the millions of Western guys who are under huge pressure? Who feel their own lands have already been filled with foreign hostile elements, which has both evidently weakened the economy and made the streets unsafe, while the politicans and the media have the nerve to keep blaming the Western guys for being racist, and on top of it all threatens to bring in millions of more to make it all even more perverse!

Trump's victory was extremely important, but he didn't start this glorious movement that is tired of the established politicans and media talking down to us like we were idiots. We are dedicated to keep fighting and keep working now more than ever. We believe that closing the borders is the only solution that allows society to be able to focus on integration and assimilation, in order to regain harmony and stability in society.

If the establishment decides to keep using insulting and stigmatizing rhetorics and bizarrely accusatory words like xenophobia, racism, white supremacy and fascism, they reveal how out of touch they are with reality and prove how incompetent they are at taking care of the problems (and so far the post-election analysis has been, very smug, very much superior attitude,  very vulgar, the amount of self-criticism is severely lacking. It's hard to not vomit, really) then this just makes us more determined.

Our Sweden Democrats (Swe), Fremskrittspartiet (Nor), Swiss People's Party (Sui), AfD (Ger), Party for Freedom (Holl), Front National (Fra), Dansk Folkeparti (Dk), Vlaams Belang (Bek), FPÖ (Aus), Golden Dawn (Gre), PNR (Por), Law and Justice (Pol), Slovak National Party (Slo), People's Party (Slo), Fidesz (Hun), Jobbik (Hun) will have victory after victory in parliamentary elections.

This comes back to what i said. Your pov is dangerous. You are here outloud blaming others for your problems. You say they weaken the economy. That is simply not true. You talk about them like an organised entity out to get your stuff. That is not true. Make the streets unsafe, not true again. 

This is just like saying that every black guy is a thief and we should deport them. No, this is not the kind of values a society or anyone should thrive for. 

Besides, what do you think this does? A western power blows up their homes and when they come looking for asylum you say they are evil and should go back? This will lead people to desperation. Desperate people do desperate things. THAT is dangerous.

I honestly completely disagree with you. 

Look, i don't know politics in every country. I'm more familiar with Portugal, and the party you just mentioned probably doesnt even get 1% of the votes. Doesn't even have a single deputy in the assembly nor is close to getting one. So... i dunno. Though i do know that there are opportunistic people (like Trump actually) that will try to use this alarmist rethoric to reel in guys like you. But not to worry because just like with brexit, everyone will regret it soon enough. 

You seem to be at the very opposite end of the spectrum politically than I am. I think it's just complete denial.

Just a couple of points. You even deny that they make the streets unsafe. Are you really saying that native Dutch people make the streets of the Netherlands unsafe? Because if it's not the immigrants, then it must be the Dutch. But that's just so unfair and goes against all evidence.

You also deny that refugees weaken the economy of Western nations? I don't get how somebody can say that today. Three years back in time you could still hear that kind of propaganda lies from the Swedish government and others, but today I didn't think anyone spreads such misinformation.

I shouldn't have listed that Portuguese national party because it gave you an opportunity to point out how tiny they are. Portugal is actually the most socialist country in Europe (when it comes to what people elect, about your real politiks I do not know), so it's probably not a coincidence that nationalists are weak over there.



Slimebeast said:
Nem said:

This comes back to what i said. Your pov is dangerous. You are here outloud blaming others for your problems. You say they weaken the economy. That is simply not true. You talk about them like an organised entity out to get your stuff. That is not true. Make the streets unsafe, not true again. 

This is just like saying that every black guy is a thief and we should deport them. No, this is not the kind of values a society or anyone should thrive for. 

Besides, what do you think this does? A western power blows up their homes and when they come looking for asylum you say they are evil and should go back? This will lead people to desperation. Desperate people do desperate things. THAT is dangerous.

I honestly completely disagree with you. 

Look, i don't know politics in every country. I'm more familiar with Portugal, and the party you just mentioned probably doesnt even get 1% of the votes. Doesn't even have a single deputy in the assembly nor is close to getting one. So... i dunno. Though i do know that there are opportunistic people (like Trump actually) that will try to use this alarmist rethoric to reel in guys like you. But not to worry because just like with brexit, everyone will regret it soon enough. 

You seem to be at the very opposite end of the spectrum politically than I am. I think it's just complete denial.

Just a couple of points. You even deny that they make the streets unsafe. Are you really saying that native Dutch people make the streets of the Netherlands unsafe? Because if it's not the immigrants, then it must be the Dutch. But that's just so unfair and goes against all evidence.

You also deny that refugees weaken the economy of Western nations? I don't get how somebody can say that today. Three years back in time you could still hear that kind of propaganda lies from the Swedish government and others, but today I didn't think anyone spreads such misinformation.

I shouldn't have listed that Portuguese national party because it gave you an opportunity to point out how tiny they are. Portugal is actually the most socialist country in Europe (when it comes to what people elect, about your real politiks I do not know), so it's probably not a coincidence that nationalists are weak over there.

The thing I'm wondering is how there can be so much damage from them. Aren't refugees expected to work like with the Chinese and European immigrants during the rise of America? Or do they just sit in refugee camps?

 

I know some refugees are rotten apples, but dear lord. There's no way they all are useless to society.



 

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hershel_layton said:
Slimebeast said:

You seem to be at the very opposite end of the spectrum politically than I am. I think it's just complete denial.

Just a couple of points. You even deny that they make the streets unsafe. Are you really saying that native Dutch people make the streets of the Netherlands unsafe? Because if it's not the immigrants, then it must be the Dutch. But that's just so unfair and goes against all evidence.

You also deny that refugees weaken the economy of Western nations? I don't get how somebody can say that today. Three years back in time you could still hear that kind of propaganda lies from the Swedish government and others, but today I didn't think anyone spreads such misinformation.

I shouldn't have listed that Portuguese national party because it gave you an opportunity to point out how tiny they are. Portugal is actually the most socialist country in Europe (when it comes to what people elect, about your real politiks I do not know), so it's probably not a coincidence that nationalists are weak over there.

The thing I'm wondering is how there can be so much damage from them. Aren't refugees expected to work like with the Chinese and European immigrants during the rise of America? Or do they just sit in refugee camps?

 

I know some refugees are rotten apples, but dear lord. There's no way they all are useless to society.

The issue with masses of refugees and also illegal immigrants is a complete lack of integration.  Many don't want to be citizens and don't want to integrate into society while simultaneously of course taking money from the government while paying none to it.  On top of that, since they don't pay taxes, they can get jobs by working for less than any citizen can.  And on top of THAT, in the case of illegal immigrants from nearby countries, many don't put money back into the economy that much, instead spending the absolute bare minimum and kicking the rest of the money back to their home country.  It's the very definition of leeching.

But for the Syrian refugees, I have some sympathy but not as many as others.  The sheer number of healthy, strong young men - some times whole masses of single young men - who could have stood up and fought to defend their home land but instead fled bothers me a fair bit.  And it no doubt bothers others and is part of why their value to society is questioned: if they just pissed off from their home country en masse, how can they be trusted to be contributing members of their new society and not just piss off when things get a bit rough?  I have no doubt that bothers some people.

Honestly, IMO, I think the borders of the US need securing, especially the southern border, absolutely.  But that needs to come hand in hand with a MASSIVE improvement to our legal immigration and integration efforts. It should not take years and years to become a naturalized citizen for people who want to.  I don't want to get rid of all undocummented inhabitants, I want to get rid of the criminal ones and the ones who have 0 desire to integrate or become citizens or otherwise contribute to society.  The millions who want to be citizens I want to be citizens.  Which seems to be Trump's new tune, get the bad apples out and find a way to naturalize the ones who want to.  No idea HOW he plans to do that, but it's a good plan.  And this at least partly applies to refugees, I would be perfectly pleased if they came here to be part of America rather than just crash on the couch indefinitely with no commitment.

With regards to refugees, I don't think it is responsible for the US to take on more burdens.  Our spending is completely out of control, our entitlements spending is absolutely batshit insane, and despite taxing corporations more than any other developed western civilization we are still racking up debt like no one's business.  We are in no condition to essentially take on massive groups of people who will live off government funded programs and yet pay not one thin dime to the government to cover it.  The US government's responsibility is to the citizens of the US first and foremost, just as the responsibility of any other nation's government is that nation's well being first and foremost.  The citizens pay the taxes and vote in elections, serve in the army, and sign on to be eligible for the draft, they should be the first concern of the government.  And right now, the government has a lot of work to do to get into shape to be able to concern itself with other issues.



StarDoor said:
Chris Hu said:

 

I get it the New York Times isn't a reliable source since it isn't a mouthpice for the Republican Party like Fox News or associated with clinical insane people like Alex Jones. Anyway its been nice talking to you again get back at me when you run out of snake oil or when your supply of tin foil hats runs out I'm sure I can help you with either one of those.

So, are you just incapable of making a coherent argument? Can you say nothing but "snake oil," "tin foil hats," and "Alex Jones"?

There is no need for a coherent argument if you got half a brain you can figure out that the alternate media and the right wing media is run by a bunch of mororns and snakes oil sales man plus they are twice as likely to post false info then left leaning media.