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Forums - Politics - Forget trump/hilliary. How about the Pot vote?

 

Vote Yes or No to legalise.

Yes 123 71.51%
 
No 49 28.49%
 
Total:172
Teeqoz said:
StarOcean said:

We could. Humans are stupid creatures in a general sense; practically need to be spoon-fed in order to do anything right. I would draw the line at near term and overall long term effects really. 

What about video games?

"I would draw the line at near term and overall long term effects really". There's no way to quantize that. The statement means nothing.

I'm aware it's too vague and lacks substance. I'm too lazy to explain myself. Maybe I could later. But right now I don't want to go into a lot of detail, because, laziness



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StarOcean said:
VGPolyglot said:

I don't know what you're referring to. I'm saying that there are too many prisoners, and that marijuana should be legalized so that they're not in jail. However, I believe that even after that the people that are in jail should not be forced to work for free or even an unfair wage, as they are still people and therefore should be treated as such.

Idk I believe certain people should be treated like work animals. Serial killers and serial rapists -the irredeemable. They could be put into forced labor. Better than them living comfy in prison or reading a book on death row for years.

Should they go to jail for it? No. Pot isnt a serious enough offense. However, abusers should be forced to take some courses on responsiblity with drugs and other potentially hazardous things. It's important we keep people educated on matters like that 

Do you believe in free will? If yes, why (do you believe in free will)?



Teeqoz said:
StarOcean said:

Idk I believe certain people should be treated like work animals. Serial killers and serial rapists -the irredeemable. They could be put into forced labor. Better than them living comfy in prison or reading a book on death row for years.

Should they go to jail for it? No. Pot isnt a serious enough offense. However, abusers should be forced to take some courses on responsiblity with drugs and other potentially hazardous things. It's important we keep people educated on matters like that 

Do you believe in free will? If yes, why (do you believe in free will)?

I do and I don't. Depends. There's good arguments for both



StarOcean said:
Teeqoz said:

Do you believe in free will? If yes, why (do you believe in free will)?

I do and I don't. Depends. There's good arguments for both

Can you present some of the good arguments for both? Also you are dodging the question here.



StarOcean said:
Teeqoz said:

Should we also ban sugar? Where do you draw the line?

We could. Humans are stupid creatures in a general sense; practically need to be spoon-fed in order to do anything right. I would draw the line at near term and overall long term effects really. 

We need to let people have their own way to spend their free time, there is nothing wrong with meeting with friends and drink a few beers to make the conversation more fluid, the people gets more open, affective and comunicative and just have a good time, people need those things too, like when you come from a hard day at work and smoke a pot just to get out of the preassure of the day and have a better sex. This drugs can actually be good, I don't think the solution is just to ban them, we need to educate the people, to create a more civilized and responsible society as a whole, you shouldn't be able to ban my choice of drinking a coke plenty of sugar, but at the same time people needs to be informated of what kind of poison they are taking.

For extreme cases is ok to ban, because drugs like crack or heroine ruin most lifes that they touch turning people into truly zombies that would do anything to pay the drug and hurting everyone around, those drugs are just too dangerous to be accepted, but some of them can have more benefits than perjudices, it all depends in how educated and resposible everyone is, the ban mentality is wrong imo.



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My argument for weed being legal is simple.

Fuck you, I like weed.

That's it. That's all there is to it. Medical benefits and economic benefits are completely beside the point. I enjoy blazing. If my behavior does not cause immediate serious harm, or serious and inevitable long term harm, then I should be free to do pretty much whatever I want.

We don't need some sort of special reason why we should be allowed to use marijuana, because we don't need any sort of special reason to allow people to do pretty much anything else. What we do need is a special reason to ban a behavior. And there just isn't any.



PwerlvlAmy said:
no thx to legalizing

In holland they legalised it.

it reduced crime,.... pot is a big part of drug dealers income. They ll find legal work to do instead.

It reduced serious drug use, its not used as gate way drug if a pusher isnt trying to get you to try other stuff too. If its sold legally in a store, the clerk there isnt selling you other things as well.

It didnt have any impact on drug usage. People dont use more drugs just because its legal to get them.

It saves aton of money you spend on trying to catch these people that sell weed, police force can spend time on stuff that matters instead.

Weed/pot is basically as harmfull as drinking beer, and kills way waaaay less than alcohol does.

Legal weed/pot is also safer for those that use it. Pushers dont give two flying f***'s about its users, a store that sells a quality approved product will. No more synthetics that have higher risks of psycosis ect.

The tax gains going into the pockets of the state, instead of a pusher, means you can spend the profits on other usefull things.

 

Theres just so many benefits to legaliseing it, that I have a hard time seeing why anyone wouldnt want it.



Teeqoz said:
StarOcean said:

I do and I don't. Depends. There's good arguments for both

Can you present some of the good arguments for both? Also you are dodging the question here.

Sorry, I was busy. It can be argued environmental and inherited factors play a massive role in what make up your day to day decisions. The ones you obey and the ones you dont. In that case youre predisposed to be and decide a certain way depending on where you were born, how you were raised, and how your parents also process decision making. In that regard, free will is less of something "free" and more "predispositioned will". Of course you can also say that mixture of factors makes up free will. But yeah, I really don't know if I believe in free will. But that's more philosophical than on topic. If you want to talk more you can wall post me.



JRPGfan said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
no thx to legalizing

In holland they legalised it.

it reduced crime,.... pot is a big part of drug dealers income. They ll find legal work to do instead.

It reduced serious drug use, its not used as gate way drug if a pusher isnt trying to get you to try other stuff too. If its sold legally in a store, the clerk there isnt selling you other things as well.

It didnt have any impact on drug usage. People dont use more drugs just because its legal to get them.

It saves aton of money you spend on trying to catch these people that sell weed, police force can spend time on stuff that matters instead.

Weed/pot is basically as harmfull as drinking beer, and kills way waaaay less than alcohol does.

Legal weed/pot is also safer for those that use it. Pushers dont give two flying f***'s about its users, a store that sells a quality approved product will. No more synthetics that have higher risks of psycosis ect.

The tax gains going into the pockets of the state, instead of a pusher, means you can spend the profits on other usefull things.

 

Theres just so many benefits to legaliseing it, that I have a hard time seeing why anyone wouldnt want it.

I wouldn't say it's basically as harmful as drinking beer.  I'd say it's way less harmful.  Like, not even close.  Weed has no lethal dosage, is not known to cause any lifethreatening long term conditions (unless you use it in such a way that you are inhaling tar), generally does not encourage reckless behavior, has not been shown to be addictive, etc etc.

As for why people would want it, a lot of people think that their personal feelings should inform public policy rather than facts and logic.  



StarOcean said:
Ouroboros24 said:

"See, I don't get this argument."

I don't see how you don't.  It's simple equality.  Alcohol, which is worst than weed in almost all aspects, is legal.  Marijuana, which is less harmful than alcohol, is illegal.  The arguement is simply: why is a substance less harmful illegal, while the more harmful substance is legal.  Its just a wrong that needs to be right. 

I don't disagree with them being bad. No, let's make them illegal too

Prohibition don't work.  History tells us at least.