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PwerlvlAmy said:
Because of bias.

Tomb Raider fans will say its better than UC(like me)

UC fans will say its better than Tomb Raider

its just bias

Wouldn't that just be prefrence? Someone who enjoyed ROTR more would say that it's better, someone who enjoyed UN4 more will say that game is better.

That's not really bias.



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Normchacho said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
Because of bias.

Tomb Raider fans will say its better than UC(like me)

UC fans will say its better than Tomb Raider

its just bias

Wouldn't that just be prefrence? Someone who enjoyed ROTR more would say that it's better, someone who enjoyed UN4 more will say that game is better.

That's not really bias.

Nah its bias. Majority of TR fans will say its better than UC just because its TR and vice versa for UC fans



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BraLoD said:
MTZehvor said:

That's got to be a contender for the least helpful comment of the year. OP is clearly aware that people like it more, they're wondering what aspects of it make it more widely liked.

(Spoilers Inbound for RotTR)

I think one thing that really hurt RotTR is its absolute mess of a plot. While Uncharted 4 isn't amazing in that regard, RotTR's feels like a discount version of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Mystical artifact that grants immortality being guarded by an incredibly devoted group of natives and a guy that's lived for hundreds of years, hero finds themself in a race against time to get said artifact before a cartoonishly evil organization that might as well be the Nazis, hero ultimately retrieves the artifact but chooses to not use it due to a last second realization. Only in RotTR, these points are explained far more poorly than in Indiana Jones. We get no explanation as to what caused Lara's snap decision to smash the Divine Source, especially after she goes on and on about how much good it could do for the world, and the dad issues portion of Lara's character arc is handled very sloppily.

For what it's worth, UC4 has plenty of issues in the plot department as well, but at the very least it does feel like its own story and all the major points are explained satisfactorily.

The thread goes on the ideas that the reviews arent justified, so it negates all points made on them, and asks for a new one.

Its asking why something is considered better than another while rulling out the implied reasons, so its subjective and my answer goes directly into that, if reviewers points arent an answer, then its purely subjective, in theory at least, as reviews should be work of professionals.

The other side be review bias, both as those games share both big franchises behind them and exclusivety at launch, it pretty much negates it until the point of both of them taking from eachother as similar games, which Uncharted took inspiration from TR and later TR took from Uncharted after it success to get out of the limbo.

So, with biases balanced, and all points made on reviews being not enough, it comes upon personal perception, so I stand for my answer: because people liked it more.

I think you're reading into his intentions far too much. All he says in regards to the two games is: "While I enjoy both franchises I cant understand why UC4 got such rave reviews compared to TR.. it's a good game. But I cant see a single thing that makes it a better game than Rise of the Tomb Raider."

In other words, he's not sure of the reasons why one title is more highly praised than the other. Obviously most reviewers liked UC4 more than RotTR, and the question at the end of the post is "why?" What are the things that people liked more about UC4 than RotTR? Is it the story? The gunplay? The set pieces? That may all sound like stuff you could easily find simply by looking at the reviews, but without a direct comparison between the two games being written and published by a website it's hard to narrow things down. As an example, a reviewer may praise both UC's and TR's set pieces as being good, but may believe that UC's set pieces are simply better. You wouldn't be able to tell that simply from reading the same person's two reviews, unless he actively goes out of his way to compare the two in review, which most reviewers won't. There's no easy way to find out what reviewer X thinks about how two games handle similar elements compared to each other. OP is simply looking for some insight into what people think are things UC did better than TR.



PwerlvlAmy said:
Normchacho said:

Wouldn't that just be prefrence? Someone who enjoyed ROTR more would say that it's better, someone who enjoyed UN4 more will say that game is better.

That's not really bias.

Nah its bias. Majority of TR fans will say its better than UC just because its TR and vice versa for UC fans

Wouldn't the majority of TR fans be considered TR fans rather than UC fans because they prefere the TR series? In this context at least.

Do you really think there's a significant number of people out there who would play one of these games, like it more than the other, but still say it's worse because it's not from their prefered series?



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Normchacho said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

Nah its bias. Majority of TR fans will say its better than UC just because its TR and vice versa for UC fans

Wouldn't the majority of TR fans be considered TR fans rather than UC fans because they prefere the TR series? In this context at least.

Do you really think there's a significant number of people out there who would play one of these games, like it more than the other, but still say it's worse because it's not from their prefered series?

like I said it all comes down to bias. both fan bases have it and use that as their basis 



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PwerlvlAmy said:
Normchacho said:

Wouldn't the majority of TR fans be considered TR fans rather than UC fans because they prefere the TR series? In this context at least.

Do you really think there's a significant number of people out there who would play one of these games, like it more than the other, but still say it's worse because it's not from their prefered series?

like I said it all comes down to bias. both fan bases have it and use that as their basis 

But bias implies that their judgement is somehow unfair. If someone likes a game more than another that's not bias, they just like a certain game more than another.

Now, if someone had decided which one they prefer based on which series they like better (for instance, saying they like UC4 more without having played ROTR) That would be bias. They could rightfully says which one they THINK they would like better, based on their past experience with each series, but they wouldn't fairly render a verdict.

But if someone played both games and liked one better than another, that's not bias.



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Normchacho said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

like I said it all comes down to bias. both fan bases have it and use that as their basis 

But bias implies that their judgement is somehow unfair. If someone likes a game more than another that's not bias, they just like a certain game more than another.

Now, if someone had decided which one they prefer based on which series they like better (for instance, saying they like UC4 more without having played ROTR) That would be bias. They could rightfully says which one they THINK they would like better, based on their past experience with each series, but they wouldn't fairly render a verdict.

But if someone played both games and liked one better than another, that's not bias.

I'm not budging on my stance. So I'm gonna agree to disagree here,good sir



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PwerlvlAmy said:
Because of bias.

Tomb Raider fans will say its better than UC(like me)

UC fans will say its better than Tomb Raider

its just bias

Both games are extremely similar gameplay wise but uncharted puts you at a disadvantage since the AI is smarter in that game. Not only that they swarm you on the hardest difficulties. On Tomb Raider, I merced everyone like rambo without fail. It wasnt a challenge.. To me, Uncharted would make more sense as a movie and would have the characters and script that could more easily be put over to an audience. With that said, with Uncharted gone, I Tomb Raider makes a great supplement until Naughty Dog drops Last of Us 2. Writers and artists have been used by other studios and increased the quality of their studios post Sony. That says a lot. Crystal Dynamics learned a lot from them, but I dont believe they have the magic of what makes Naughty Dogs games so great. For instance, if Ellie grew up, I believe shed have a number of qualitiies as a female protagonist that lara just fails to even achieve as a character. I like the new Lara better than the old one, but I still have yet to figure her out as a character. Her motivations and true goals. With Nathan Drake we knew that from square one.

Its curious though....what is it about Tomb Raiders gameplay that grabs you more than uncharted.



I played both, Liked both but I don have an honest comparison.
Liked Tomb Raider way more because I played it on PC and it was in much better settings. Proberbly on the PS4pro it will be a simulair experience as on my PC.

Anyway, I liked the story and emotion more in UC4 but I felt like the game was a bit too slow.
On Rise of the Tomb Raider I liked the pace and more open world/side quest feel more

In the end I really disliked some of the sections from UC4 (dislike it a harsh word for sutch a great game) but I never felt a single moment of "lets skip to the good part" on ROTT but like I said I played it on my pc from 2013 which is a significantly faster experience then my ps4 (no offense) in loading times and graphics/framerate




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I liked the tomb raider reboot and rise a lot more also