Nuvendil said:
spemanig said:
I mean, from what we know, the whole 16/32/128 thing is pretty much the worse news we could hear about the thing, so without a mega franchise like Pokemon, I don't see it selling more than 15m, maybe 20m. Wii U had Mario Kart, and that didn't help it hit 15m. No matter how good Zelda is, I don't see it doing much better without Pokemon.
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My point was that the Wii U could have had Pokemon and maybe it would have eeked out a paltry 18 to 20mil. Cause no ammount of quality content matters if your ads are uninformative (like most of the Wii U's ads), embarrassing (everything from launch to mid 2014 and still at times beyond), clumsy (almost all of them), generic (all the 2012 and early 2013 ads), or absent (the Wii U had incredibly, inexcusably sparse promotion). The 3DS had better everything frankly. Like I said, doesn't matter much what the Switch has, if it has the same marketing muscle as the Wii U, you may as well burry it now. if it has an aggressive ad campaign, I don't think it needs Pokemon.
Also, what 16, 32, 128 thing? If you mean the rumors concerning the size of cartridges, internal storage, and SD card support, consider these things: 1) I guarantee you the 16 gig being the max is horseshit (Breath of the Wild is looking like it would barely fit on a 20, 16 is out of the question and MonolithSoft, an internal studio, struggled with the Wii U's capacity on disc, and besides it would make NO sense to make that the maximum), 2) if the games are playing from the physical medium (the PS4 and Xbone do not), then the internal storage doesn't matter and again this is a rumor and unconfirmed, 3) this is a rumor, plain and simple and see point 2. Basically, wait till we have confirmation cause I am betting 2 out of 3 of those will be wrong at the very least.
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I think you underestimate how big Pokemon is, and how big of a difference TPC is compared to Nintendo in terms of marketing. Look at Pokemon20 compared to literally any other Nintendo anniversary ever for reference.
The rumor isn't that there will only be 16GB cards, it's that that's the recommended standard. The issue with that is what that implies for cart prices. 2GB was the recommended standard for 3DS cards, even though games could use 4GB and 8GB carts if they wanted. You know why games rarely used 4GB carts or higher? Because they were too expensive to manufacture. 2GB let devs sit comfortably at $40. 4GB made Capcom want to raise the price of ResiRev to $50. They didn't and ate the cost because people complained. They never released the sequel on the 3DS. I wonder why.
The reason 16GB is an issue is because that's probably the break even point for a $60 Switch game. Anymore, and devs have to either eat the costs internally (which Nintendo doesn't need to worry about because it's their platform), or charge more for their games. If a 16GB game is $60, how much will a 32GB game be? $70? What about 64GB? $85? God forbid a game is bigger than that. Infinite Warfare was 130GB. It's not like that's going to install onto 32GB of internal memory. Are they going to squeeze that onto a 128GB cart? What's that going to be? $100? When making a game of the same size on the PS4/XBO costs pennies on the dollar because disks are so much cheaper? You think that's crazy, but $128GB carts are going for $40 rn. Obviously there's a discrepency because it's a consumer product vs a manufacturer's product, but how much discrepancy can there be with a $39 price difference? This is a problem because, no matter what anyone wants to believe, this is NOT a handheld. It is a CONSOLE, being marketed at a CONSLOLE audience with CONSOLE quality games. Those games are bigger than handheld games and cost more than handheld games and Nintendo seems to have built hardware that doesn't comprehend that. If they did, it would not have used cartridges. Or it would have but would've given the Switch an insane amount of internal memory to compensate, because external memory of a large enough size won't be affordable in an SD card form factor for years. Right now, a 512GB micro SD card is $309.
People are in this honeymoon daze about the magic of cartridges, and the reality is they are just as much of a 3rd party killer now as they were on the N64. Short of Nintendo giving third parties a MASSIVE manufacturing break, this is a very real issue that will detrementally effect the games they get.
And these rumors come from the same people who leaked the Switch in the first place. It's time to stop pretending they don't know what they're talking about when we know that they do.