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160rmf on 01 August 2018

HintHRO said: 

Yes I am ultra disappointed in Nintendo. Switch is basically the only console they support right now, yet it does so many things worse than Wii U even after years of preparation, experience, feedback and 1.5 years since its release. Good for Nintendo that they finally earn money again, but they shouldn't be rewarded for being so out of touch with modern gaming.

So out of touch that they released so many high caliber games like Botw, Odyssey, Splatoon 2 and many others that are coming like Smash, Metroid, Pokemon and many under the curtains.

With so many projects is pretty reasonable that everything won't come right out from the gate. But being reasonable is something that I wouldn't expect from people like you, that are so nitpicking.

It is pretty obvious that people like you disdain Nintendo so hard bc you actually want their products  in the same intensity but don't want to admit this, even to yourself. 

Keep trying to hide your true feelings, you ain't fooling anyone.

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OTBWY on 01 August 2018
HintHRO said:
RolStoppable said:

He's disappointed in himself more than anything else. He believed the Wii U would sell well, it didn't. He then warned people about Switch, nobody should buy it because it would be the Wii U all over again. Since he can't admit to himself that he doesn't know enough to predict somewhat accurately, he directs anger at everyone and everything pro-Switch.

 

Yes I am ultra disappointed in Nintendo. Switch is basically the only console they support right now, yet it does so many things worse than Wii U even after years of preparation, experience, feedback and 1.5 years since its release. Good for Nintendo that they finally earn money again, but they shouldn't be rewarded for being so out of touch with modern gaming.

They turned the franchise around in 1 year, making not just a big profit again after the WiiU, but basically rebranding the face of the company, appealing to older teen instead of just kids and families (completely new ad strategy) and outputting some of the best games ever made in that same timeframe. And all the while revamping their online infrastructure to fit "modern" standards. If you think they are out of touch with modern gaming now than damn whatever modern gaming is.

But this isn't about what they are doing now. My guess is that whatever feelings you have, it will never be positive towards Nintendo anyway. I've seen time and time again these types of people that were "true" fans who did nothing but downplay and negatively pr everything, even the good that Nintendo does. So it's very transparent.

My advice is to get a grip. The Switch is a success and Nintendo isn't going anywhere. Accept it or move on.



The_Liquid_Laser on 01 August 2018
zorg1000 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Markets exist.  This is not just true in the video game industry.  It is true in every industry.  Markets exist.

For example, GM, Ford, Toyota, Honda, etc... are all in the automobile market.  If GM sales go down and Volkswagon sales go up, then the car companies don't panic or just say it's all a random mess that can't be understood.  They say, "Customers are leaving GM and going to Volkswagon".  It's not a random mess that is too complex to analyze.  Instead sales can be stated in simple terms, because people believe that markets exist.

So, what does this have to do with video games?  Video games have their own markets.  Normally there is a home console market for systems like the PS4, XB1 and Wii U.  There is a handheld market for systems like the 3DS and Vita.  PC has its own market as does mobile.

Then along comes the Switch.  This can be a harder system to understand, so it is easier if we go back to models that people have been using a long time now: the home and handheld markets.  Is Switch mostly in the home market or mostly in the handheld market?  Or perhaps it is X% in the home market and (100-X)% in the handheld market?  I hoped we could discuss things in terms of markets.  Your answer to me is that markets don't exist and it is naive of me to think that they do. 

This goes back to my original point I was making to Mnementh.  People don't understand what happened with the Wii U or the Switch or the PS4.  Zorg1000, I actually consider you ahead of the curve when it comes to this stuff.  But now I see that you don't even believe markets exist.  If you don't understand what is going on, then what hope does anyone else have?

i never once said markets dont exist, i said i think Switch is doing so well because its tapping into multiple different markets.

You didn't use the words "markets don't exist", but you give answers like a person who doesn't think markets exist.  You said that customers come from people who owned the PS4, XB1, Wii U, 3DS, Vita, or PC, plus lapsed gamers and possibly more.  That answer basically says that customers could come from anywhere.  That is not a meaningful answer.  It is not an answer from a person who tried to analyze a market.

Instead it is an answer that basically says, "I don't know".  Perhaps if you don't know then you assume that no one else can know too?  I am actually giving a falsifiable explanation.  "Switch customers are mostly coming from the handheld market".  I am willing to listen to someone who has a better explanation.  But saying that the customers could come from anywhere is neither a better or worse explanation.  It is a non-explanation.



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zorg1000 on 01 August 2018
The_Liquid_Laser said:
zorg1000 said:

i never once said markets dont exist, i said i think Switch is doing so well because its tapping into multiple different markets.

You didn't use the words "markets don't exist", but you give answers like a person who doesn't think markets exist.  You said that customers come from people who owned the PS4, XB1, Wii U, 3DS, Vita, or PC, plus lapsed gamers and possibly more.  That answer basically says that customers could come from anywhere.  That is not a meaningful answer.  It is not an answer from a person who tried to analyze a market.

Instead it is an answer that basically says, "I don't know".  Perhaps if you don't know then you assume that no one else can know too?  I am actually giving a falsifiable explanation.  "Switch customers are mostly coming from the handheld market".  I am willing to listen to someone who has a better explanation.  But saying that the customers could come from anywhere is neither a better or worse explanation.  It is a non-explanation.

No, im saying Switch appeals to multiple different markets. Its literally the entire purpose of its design.

Just limiting it to handheld or home consoles is too broad and doednt address the individual demographics within them.



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The_Liquid_Laser on 01 August 2018
zorg1000 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

You didn't use the words "markets don't exist", but you give answers like a person who doesn't think markets exist.  You said that customers come from people who owned the PS4, XB1, Wii U, 3DS, Vita, or PC, plus lapsed gamers and possibly more.  That answer basically says that customers could come from anywhere.  That is not a meaningful answer.  It is not an answer from a person who tried to analyze a market.

Instead it is an answer that basically says, "I don't know".  Perhaps if you don't know then you assume that no one else can know too?  I am actually giving a falsifiable explanation.  "Switch customers are mostly coming from the handheld market".  I am willing to listen to someone who has a better explanation.  But saying that the customers could come from anywhere is neither a better or worse explanation.  It is a non-explanation.

No, im saying Switch appeals to multiple different markets. Its literally the entire purpose of its design.

Just limiting it to handheld or home consoles is too broad and doednt address the individual demographics within them.

1) Switch is designed to appeal to both the home and handheld markets.  Those are the groups that they are focusing on.  It isn't designed to reach other groups.  It isn't the Wii.  1-2 Switch and Labo do not have the reach to non-gamers like Wii Sports and Wii Fit.  It should be clear that the Switch is designed for both the handheld and home markets.

2) Right now Switch is mostly just reaching the handheld market.  It is mostly selling to people who already own a 3DS or Vita.  I'd say 80%+ of Switch owners already own a 3DS or Vita, which means it is basically selling to the same market.

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Soundwave on 05 August 2018
The_Liquid_Laser said:
zorg1000 said:

No, im saying Switch appeals to multiple different markets. Its literally the entire purpose of its design.

Just limiting it to handheld or home consoles is too broad and doednt address the individual demographics within them.

1) Switch is designed to appeal to both the home and handheld markets.  Those are the groups that they are focusing on.  It isn't designed to reach other groups.  It isn't the Wii.  1-2 Switch and Labo do not have the reach to non-gamers like Wii Sports and Wii Fit.  It should be clear that the Switch is designed for both the handheld and home markets.

2) Right now Switch is mostly just reaching the handheld market.  It is mostly selling to people who already own a 3DS or Vita.  I'd say 80%+ of Switch owners already own a 3DS or Vita, which means it is basically selling to the same market.

 

Just for the record, I believe Mat the NPD guy said 70%+ of Switch owners have a PS4 or XBox One also. 



The_Liquid_Laser on 05 August 2018
Soundwave said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

1) Switch is designed to appeal to both the home and handheld markets.  Those are the groups that they are focusing on.  It isn't designed to reach other groups.  It isn't the Wii.  1-2 Switch and Labo do not have the reach to non-gamers like Wii Sports and Wii Fit.  It should be clear that the Switch is designed for both the handheld and home markets.

2) Right now Switch is mostly just reaching the handheld market.  It is mostly selling to people who already own a 3DS or Vita.  I'd say 80%+ of Switch owners already own a 3DS or Vita, which means it is basically selling to the same market.

 

Just for the record, I believe Mat the NPD guy said 70%+ of Switch owners have a PS4 or XBox One also. 

Do you have a link to that?



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My Threads:
Master Thread, Game of the Year/Decade
Switch Will Be #1 All Time
Zelda Will Outsell Mario (Achieved)
How Much Will MH Rise sell?
My Bet With Metallox

Miyamotoo on 14 August 2018
HintHRO said:
Nintendo is still making a lot of big mistakes with the Switch:
- After almost 2 years still no streaming apps like Netflix and Amazon Prime
- Still no Internet browser
- Games consists mostly of overpriced ports
- Disastrous voice chat applications
- No messaging system or activity hub
- No virtual console (no, overpriced Wii U ports don't count)
- Expensive as hell hardware/controllers

In many regards the Switch is even a downgrade compared to Wii U, but the portability somehow makes Nintendo immune to the negativity like they are some sort of Jesus.

In real world non of those things are big mistakes, they are negatives and every console have them, but they are not big mistakes that affects sales in meaningful way. 

Wii U failed because several huge mistakes Nintendo made, terible branding and marketing, no big system seller games on launch and in first year, not apealing concept, and Nintendo corected all that things with Switch, great market and branding, killer 1st year with several system seller games and great concept, if you look Switch is very similar to Wii.

 

HintHRO said: 
RolStoppable said: 

He's disappointed in himself more than anything else. He believed the Wii U would sell well, it didn't. He then warned people about Switch, nobody should buy it because it would be the Wii U all over again. Since he can't admit to himself that he doesn't know enough to predict somewhat accurately, he directs anger at everyone and everything pro-Switch.

Yes I am ultra disappointed in Nintendo. Switch is basically the only console they support right now, yet it does so many things worse than Wii U even after years of preparation, experience, feedback and 1.5 years since its release. Good for Nintendo that they finally earn money again, but they shouldn't be rewarded for being so out of touch with modern gaming.

 

But Switch itself and their games for Switch prove they are not out of touch with modern gaming, if that is a case their Switch games wouldn't be great and Switch hardware wouldn't be wanted.



Alby_da_Wolf on 16 August 2018

BREAKING NEWS! After being for many months the only console able to stay close behind PS4, Nintendo Lethal Mistake even manages to beat it two weeks in a row!



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KLAMarine on 16 August 2018

Is the horse dead yet?