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If there's one mistake not committed with the Switch is there's no 'Wii' anywhere in its name.

GProgrammer said:

The switch's greatest problem can be summed up best with the following images
If the other home consoles can be visualized like this

The switch in comparison can be visualized like this

Its just too under-powered, its going to suffer the same fate as the Wii U, no 3rd party software

If it weren't for your visual examples, I would not have been able to understand the concept. Thanks for that.



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Nintendo does have a lot of questions they need to address, but so far so good imo.

Of course I'm curious about the battery life, the online aspect, third party games, launch games etc...but that will come.

I can understand peoples concerns about the Switch though. Its up to Nintendo to win you over.



Captain_Yuri said:
Any of you cool people have a tldr?

TC wanted a full reveal and got a trailer.



It's a trailer, lmao, what did you expect?

Not meant to show games, full specs, it did exactly what it intended. Can't wait for the next Direct.



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bananaking21 said:

The Dust is starting to settle of the Nintendo Switch announcement. And its pretty clear Nintendo hasnt learnt much after the horrendous WiiU Reveal.

 

- The Trailer certainly gives a better idea about what the NX is, much more than the WiiU trailer did. The trailer gives the impression that the NS is a Hybrid system. however, nintendo did say that the docking station only serves to connect the NS to the TV, as well as provide power. basically, the Dock is pretty much a glorified charging station that has an HDMI, Thus resulting it in technicially being a portable. you wouldnt call a PSP a "Hybrid" because you can connect it to a TV with a cable, right? However, one of the issues arises when Nintendo is calling the NS a "home gaming system". even though it technicially isnt.

 

- The first point isnt that bad, its not a huge problem sure. it doesnt really matter what the NS technicially is considered if the consumers like it. but it does show that Nintendo still has a communiction problem, and that these 3 minute trailers are no where near enough to illustrate what their consoles are and what they have to offer. 


- Nintendo then goes on to say that no new information will be given out until next year. Leaving a plethora amount of crucial questions unanswered. which is simply baffling. so many crucial questions go unanswered. for a system that is just 5 months away from launch, the number of question marks circling around the reveal is outstanding.

Taking a look at PS4 reveal, the shortcomings are astronomical in comparison. First and foremost, Sony took the time to explain their vision for their new console, where they believe the market place is heading, where they would like to take it. they explained what type of gamers the PS4 would appeal to. they explained the PS4's specs, what its capable of and what we can expect, they talked about networking features,  they showed their support for devs, both tripple A and indie, and what comes in between. And most importantly they announced games, and many of them.  Nintendo didnt bother to do any of these things. 

 

- This takes us to another point, The Games. What types of games are we expected to play on the NS? how can nintendo reveal a new console, without revealing any games for it? and a massive miscommunication blunder accures here. Skyrim and NBA for both shown for the NS, yet it turns out, both games arent even confirmed for the console. how can this be? How can Nintendo show off this console with games that arent even confirmed for the system yet? chances are they are coming to the system, yes. but the fact that nobody can be certain is just mind boggling, and shows a huge in inefficiency at communicating what this system has to offer. whats even more confusing is that they showed off first party games, that arent even confirmed. are mario kart, splatoon and 3D mario new games? are they ports? are they even coming to the system? How can nintendo not have these questions answered?

 

- With the NS, Nintendo seems to have made a similar issue they did with the WiiU. They are making a system that is trying to appeal to everybody, which in return will appeal to nobody. well obviously not nobody nobody, but you get my point. As Nintendo said, NS is supposed to be their next "Home System". But by making it a hybrid, they have lost a crucial aspect that other home systems have. the fact that its a dedicated home system. adding portability to it means that is will be weaker, it will be less capable, and it will be more expensive than it should be, in exchange for offering a feature that dedicated console gamers dont want or really need. does that ring a bell? if not, ill spill it out for you. its one of the main issues the WiiU had. 


And the same logic goes for the portable gaming consumer. The system is more expenisve, has less portability, and will have a weaker battery life. and whats baffling here is not did Nintendo not learn from their mistakes, they also didnt learn from Sony's with the Vita. consumers dont really want AAA and home console gaming experiences on the go. 


My rant can go on for even longer than it already is. but to try and cut it a bit, lets see how many unanswered questions there are about the NS. How powerfull is the NS? what games are on it? What games can we expect at launch? whats the price? how much storage does it have? does it support HDR? what kind of network features does it have? does it have virtual console support? does it have apps like netflix and youtube? is the screen a touch screen? how long is the batter life? how big is the screen? Does it support external hard drives? what type of screen does it have? 

 

As it stands now, Nintendo is just selling us the concept, not the product itself. and considering that the NS is releasing in roughly 5 months, that is concerning to say the least. And Nintendos refusal to even talk about their console is not only puzzling, but out right stupid. Nintendo seems to be a company that refuses to learn from its mistakes, and the mistakes done by others. 

Well, it's Nintendo.  So Nintendo fans will give them a pass, even if later it doesn't pay off.  Can't believe we were hearing nothing but the great 3rd party support the NX was going to get before it was revealed, and yet now that it seems like some devs are taking a wait and see approach, we are seeing the same things from the Wii U launch.  Including the crazy sales predictions.  "Oh, it'll sell 100M."  "Who needs X dev or Y publisher?" "It's not coming to NS? Who cares."  "Their lose."  "I didn't even want that game."  It's like they never learn.



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thismeintiel said:
Well, it's Nintendo.  So Nintendo fans will give them a pass, even if later it doesn't pay off.  Can't believe we were hearing nothing about the great 3rd party support the NX was going to get before it was revealed, and yet now that it seems like some devs are taking a wait and see approach, we are seeing the same things from the Wii U launch.  Including the crazy sales predictions.  "Oh, it'll sell 100M."  "Who needs X dev or Y publisher?" "It's not coming to NS? Who cares."  "Their lose."  "I didn't even want that game."  It's like they never learn.

That is what many huge fans of a product does though. They only see the positive side. Nothing new here.



I disagree. I feel the reveal was done rather excellently. The only reason a 3 minute reveal worked was because it managed to explain clearly what the console was, a console that can go with you anywhere. That's why the name works so well too. Want to play your console at home on the TV with a controller? You can do that. Do you need to go, but want to continue playing your game? Take it with you! It looks thin and light, and easily fits into a small bag. You can also take a controller and a charger as well, in case you need the extra power, and still have room in your bag. That's the selling point of the console, and it was delivered very well.

And I think Nintendo was smart to just show off the console, as that is what the point was. By leaving other details out, it keeps it fresh in people's minds, which is what they want. Sure, they can reveal it all, but then what else would there be to wait for? Just the console I guess? Though, by revealing the console in pieces, it keeps the NS lingering in people's minds, so they just don't move on and forget about it. Beside, it's not like they need to reveal it all immediately. Word travels fast these days, so revealing the rest til next year still gives it plenty of time for the news to spread, and if there really are worthwhile things coming to it, people have to wait less for it, perhaps making it more likely people will buy it day 1. There's really no need to talk about every detail in great lengths. Those smaller bits can just come out later. What was important was showing what the console was, and I think the trailer they showed was the best way they could have done it.

Also, I think comparing the selling point to the Wii U and Vita is flawed. The Wii U's gimmick was asymmetric gameplay, as well as being able to play off screen while leaving the TV free for others to use. The Vita was sold as a handheld with console-like graphics, but it wasn't a console. The NS is different from those 2 in that you can play it at home, or on the go. It's your choice and you can switch it on the fly.

So yeah.. I disagree with you.



 

              

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Always a pleasure to see how fans of other console manufacturers can be so altruistic and heartwarmingly concerned about a competitors, in this particular case Nintendos, well beeing by skillfully ignoring positive news.

That a well produced and concept clear teaser generates this much compassion and concern is almost unprecedented.

Anyway it´s a good thing that starting next year, Scorpio will be the best place to play 3rd party multiplats between the twins.



Faelco said:
bananaking21 said:

My rant can go on for even longer than it already is. but to try and cut it a bit, lets see how many unanswered questions there are about the NS. How powerfull is the NS? what games are on it? What games can we expect at launch? whats the price? how much storage does it have? does it support HDR? what kind of network features does it have? does it have virtual console support? does it have apps like netflix and youtube? is the screen a touch screen? how long is the batter life? how big is the screen? Does it support external hard drives? what type of screen does it have? 

Come on! Completely useless questions, all of them. It will sell 100M easily. It's awesome, we all know it, and you should be ashamed for not being hyped by a really clear and explicative trailer.

/sarcasm

I agree, this communication is simply awful and it's annoying. One year of "What's the NX? Is this the NX? Guys, my grandma told me the NX will be the market leader again!" spam, just to get to this parody of a console reveal (merely a confirmation of the already kinda confirmed main rumors), and then several months of silence again with the same spam, just with Switch instead of NX. It's ridiculous. I'm not sure yet about the future of this console, but one thing is certain: Nintendo's communication and marketing just sucks and the community overreacting and overhyping anything from them is tiring.

Exactly.  If they had this trailer and announced more info coming in a week or two, no problem at all.  But, you're going to wait ~2 1/2 months to say jack shit about it?  Which will also be only 2 1/2 months from launch?  Poor marketing on their part.  It may have peaked people's interest, but this Xmas I see people forgetting all about it, which is Nintendo's fault, and buying even more tablets and smartphones for their mobile gaming.  It also doesn't help that some of the games showed playing on the NS had slowdown. 

All of this is why they are going to have to nail the price, or this is going to be Wii U all over again.  And that means a max price of $249, $199 for a real successful launch.  Of course, I'm expecting this to launch at $299-$349, which will seal its fate.



thismeintiel said:
Faelco said:

Come on! Completely useless questions, all of them. It will sell 100M easily. It's awesome, we all know it, and you should be ashamed for not being hyped by a really clear and explicative trailer.

/sarcasm

I agree, this communication is simply awful and it's annoying. One year of "What's the NX? Is this the NX? Guys, my grandma told me the NX will be the market leader again!" spam, just to get to this parody of a console reveal (merely a confirmation of the already kinda confirmed main rumors), and then several months of silence again with the same spam, just with Switch instead of NX. It's ridiculous. I'm not sure yet about the future of this console, but one thing is certain: Nintendo's communication and marketing just sucks and the community overreacting and overhyping anything from them is tiring.

Exactly.  If they had this trailer and announced more info coming in a week or two, no problem at all.  But, you're going to wait ~2 1/2 months to say jack shit about it?  Which will also be only 2 1/2 months from launch?  Poor marketing on their part.  It may have peaked people interest, but this Xmas I see people forgetting all about it, which is Nintendo's fault, and buying even more tablets and smartphones for their mobile gaming.  It also doesn't help that some of the games showed playing on the NS had slowdown. 

All of this is why they are going to have to nail the price, or this is going to be Wii U all over again.  And that means a max price of $249, $199 for a real successful launch.  Of course, I'm expecting this to launch at $299-$349, which will seal its fate.

I generally agree; holding off until 2017 to show off the software is a mistake, and launching it at $300 USD or over would be suicide.