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bigtakilla on 22 October 2016
JRPGfan said:
bigtakilla said:

True, but how much will that boost overall performance? I'd imagine not much. 

Laptops usually have a "low power" mode when you pull out the cable.

And a "Max power" mode, when plugged into the wall.

 

The differnces can be quit big.... like its 1/4th the power when mobile, and then plugged in its suddenly running 4 times as fast.

Same thing is going to happend with the Switch.

To compensate for how much less power it has, when its not docked, it ll run the games at a much lower resolution.

That way you can still play the same game, at decent frame rates, with less power.

Truth. I fully expect a resolution bump and stable frame rate when plugged in, other than that though, I don't see much else.



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bigtakilla on 22 October 2016
deskpro2k3 said:
bigtakilla said:

3: Switch is a bad name. Like, REALLY BAD. People are pretty much just calling it NS, which doesn't roll off the tongue either. This point in the overall scheme of things matters little to none though.

 

Francis calls it, NinTablet.

That actually looks dope.



bigtakilla on 22 October 2016
Barkley said:
Agree with most of what you say.

What do you disagree on?



Areym on 22 October 2016
FloatingWaffles said:

Lmao, let's 'get real' about the NS based on what YOU think its future will be? Like come on. 

It was a 3 minute teaser, unless you work at Nintendo and actually had a hand in developing it and know the specs and ins and outs of it, you have no right to say about what its 'most likely' outcome is, nobody does. You have nothing to base any of this off of, and even if you did how would ANYBODY possibly know how a system's future could be when it could have any outcome. 

I mean, he has the right to express his opinion, even if it sounds like facts. The same can be said for people who claim it is "blowing everybody's minds." We just don't have all the info as of right now. The "wow" and reveal factor is certainly riding high but I'd urge everybody to really curve their hype, we (gamers as a whole) have been burned far too many times cause of the hype train.

That being said, I can see Switch being more successful than the Wii U, I think that most people can agree on, just based on the name switch alone.



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bigtakilla on 22 October 2016
Areym said:
FloatingWaffles said:

Lmao, let's 'get real' about the NS based on what YOU think its future will be? Like come on. 

It was a 3 minute teaser, unless you work at Nintendo and actually had a hand in developing it and know the specs and ins and outs of it, you have no right to say about what its 'most likely' outcome is, nobody does. You have nothing to base any of this off of, and even if you did how would ANYBODY possibly know how a system's future could be when it could have any outcome. 

I mean, he has the right to express his opinion, even if it sounds like facts. The same can be said for people who claim it is "blowing everybody's minds." We just don't have all the info as of right now. The "wow" and reveal factor is certainly riding high but I'd urge everybody to really curve their hype, we (gamers as a whole) have been burned far too many times cause of the hype train.

That being said, I can see Switch being more successful than the Wii U, I think that most people can agree on, just based on the name switch alone.

I made sure to put most likely in the thread, to make sure I didn't come off as this is fact. It's as the thread reads, a most likely scenario.

 

Also, read the first paragraph, does it seem like I'm coming off as stating facts? Lol.



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Soundwave on 22 October 2016

I agree with some of the points of the OP.

Switch isn't a great name, but it's not terrible either. It's kind of like GameCube ... it's just sorta ... "ok". NS rolls off the tounge fine too, I don't see why it doesn't and "NX" or "DS" does. Most importantly it's a clean break from the toxic "Wii" branding.

I think Western third party support will be wishy washy. Maybe like what the Wii U had for it's first two holiday seasons at best (some multiplats, while missing other ones). Japanese support will be good, maybe even better than the 3DS because it has some real horsepower to handle even high end games provided the dev is willing to downscale them some.

The home console exeperience that it offers is not likely to be great, it just doesn't have the horsepower there. Tegra X1/X2 are good chips but they don't stack up with even a XBox One S.

It will sell better than a Wii U because it's actually portable but I think it will be below the 3DS unless several things go right for Nintendo (ie: new hit breakthrough IP like Pokemon or Splatoon).



bigtakilla on 22 October 2016
Hiku said:
bigtakilla said:

2: Keep in mind what comes out worldwide isn't the same as what comes out in Japan. Dragon Quest X I'd say is big budget. Also, I'm not saying AAA. I'd say The Crystal Bearers with its graphics and open world was pretty big budget, even if it is only a fraction of what Final Fantasy XIII cost. It also had 2 Tales Of games one of which never made it state side, a few Dragon Quest games beyond X that did make it world wide, ect. The japanese 3rd party support for Wii was really good actually.

9: We'll see. I'd say if there was a noticeable improvement to graphics it'd be a pretty big primary focus of it. The fact that nothing like that is mentioned means its fairly likely not there. 

2. Well rather than big budget, I should have said mainline entries in popular Japanese game series. It was a far cry from PS3 when it came to those kind of Japanese titles. None of the new Resident Evil games. No Street Fighter. No Devil May Cry. No mainline Dragon Quest game (DQX is basically just DQ Online, same as FF11 and FF14.). No mainline Final Fantasy. No Kingdom Hearts. No Metal Gear. Etc.
Wii did ok in the Tales department, but both games you mentioned (Graces and Symphonia 2) also came out on PS3. Plus PS3 had more of them, like Vesperia, Xillia 1 & 2, Zestiria, and Berseria.

So we need to keep in mind how extroardinarily popular Wii was in Japan, and yet Japanese developers still didn't put their main titles on it for the most part.

9. Yeah, I don't think it'll be a big boost, if there is any. If there were, how would you be able to play some games on the go. But I'll wait and see what they announce. If anything it probably just upscales the resolution, or overclocks the CPU a bit.

2: That's what I'm getting at with NS though. I think it will have the Bravely Defaults, and the smaller titles like Tales Of. Point is those games will be able to have the budget of NS games, not Bravely Default.

Budgets gonna go up greatly from 240p to 720-1080p, and obviously better shaders, more polygons... You get the point.



Soundwave on 22 October 2016

I think NS will actually get the bigger Japanese IP.

Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Kingdom Hearts, Resident Evil, Soul Calibur, etc. will be on it.

They just won't look as good as the PS4 versions, but they'll run portably, which is what more Japanese gamers care about, wouldn't be surprised if Switch versions sell better.

The West will be a completely different story though.



bigtakilla on 22 October 2016
Soundwave said:
I think NS will actually get the bigger Japanese IP.

Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Kingdom Hearts, Resident Evil, etc. will be on it.

They just won't look as good as the PS4 versions, but they'll run portably, which is what more Japanese gamers care about, wouldn't be surprised if Switch versions sell better.

The West will be a completely different story though.

Excellent point actually. I could see these easily happening too. Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter are literally no brainers. Resident Evil maybe.... Not so sure, though we did see Revelations, and mainline Final Fantasy.... Again maybe. I think we're more likely to see the Nintendo exclusive Bravely or (fingers crossed) the glorious return of Crystal Chronicles.



Salnax on 22 October 2016
bigtakilla said:

7: The tiny controllers in two player mode will feel awkward and will likely rarely get used. This is just obvious.

8: Battery life will likely be 3 hours roughly. Expecting more is crazy.

9: Nintendo already confirmed there is not another GPU, ect in the dock. Games will look the same with a resolution bump and better frame rate. It's just the way it is guys. "Providing power to the system" just means the tablet will run off the wall socket, your secret sauce is in another castle. That said, the games will look fine. Noticeably worse than the others, but fine.

10: Let's get back to reality. This gen for Nintendo is gonna be great because of the software, not the hardware or graphical power, and that's fine. 

1. Agreed. 32 GB is going to be more than enough for Nintendo themselves and a lot of the 3DS's current developers, but quite a few PS4/X1 games are over 40 GB. Not to mention that there is unlikely to be any internal storage on par with those consoles, meaning some space may be reserved for patches, like with retail Vita games. And even using somewhat optimistic guesswork based on existing Tegra chips, I doubt the Switch will reach PS4/X1 levels of power, though it should surpass the Wii.

I suppose the question is whether the Switch is easy enough for at least some devs to continue porting some games to. Looking at the Vita for reference, it is still getting games ported from the PS3 and PS4, at least in Japan. Dagon Quest Builders and Heroes 2, RE Revelations 2, Rayman Legends, LEGO games, and Minecraft stand out, being released well after Sony gave up on their own handheld.

2. Probably. I'm only a bit hesitant because the Switch is so different from the handhelds it will largely be replacing. Of course, even if it only sells half as well as the 3DS, it'll end up at Wii levels. It will almost certainly be the best selling console in Japan since the PS2, perhaps reaching SNES levels.

3. Honestly, I think Switch is a better name than typical for a Nintendo product. Better than "Wii U."

4. I don't know how the Scorpio and Pro will sell compared to the original X1/PS4, but I agree with your sentiment. The Switch won't dethrone any major competitors, even in victory.

6. Agreed. I would also like to point out that if/when the Switch becomes Nintendo's de facto new handheld, those 3DS developers are going to contribute quite a bit. It won't be quite the same as the combined output of Wii and DS games from 2007 through 2010, but I doubt that we'll see any droughts comparable to those on the Wii U.

7. Hopefully there will be an updated version of those things that's more ergonomically friendly.



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