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Mr Puggsly on 18 September 2016
SpokenTruth said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I dont care about the flip flopping, some of which over a decade.

Obama practically ran as a fiscal conservative and became a SJW. The biggest reason a lot of us support Trump is we dont want another Obama. People have turned on the dems in response to Obama.

I can understand not wanting another Obama, but unleashing Trump is like cutting off your arm because you don't like your finger.   It's an excessive response to Obama.   With Hillary, your problem is still just your finger.  With Trump, well, you no longer have to worry about your finger but now you're missing a whole arm.  He's too much.  An unhinged, loose cannon with no regard for anyone but himself. 

And you don't care about the flip flopping?  I thought the whole thing about Trump is that he means what he says?    Are you OK with him flip flopping on something you heavily support 2 years into his presidency?  What if in 2 years he wants totally open borders?  Says he never wanted a wall anyway?  Because that's the kind of flip flopping, pandering, say-anything-to-get-power kind of person Trump is. 

He's the kind of person that might wake up one day, decides he didn't like what Sergio Mattarella tweeted about him last night and orders a nuke dropped on Rome.  Sadly, I wish I was being hyperbolic.  I honestly wish we had better candidates on both sides.  But we don't.  One may screw us up financially a little longer.  The other could start another civil war and WWIII at the same time.  I know where I'd rather take my chances.

Trump can be reasonable, maybe you saw him in Mexico.

Hilary also has a history of flip flopping and flatout lying to the public. So... its a not worth debating.

If the dems didnt pick another Obama, Trump wouldnt have this traction.



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Soundwave on 18 September 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
SpokenTruth said:

I can understand not wanting another Obama, but unleashing Trump is like cutting off your arm because you don't like your finger.   It's an excessive response to Obama.   With Hillary, your problem is still just your finger.  With Trump, well, you no longer have to worry about your finger but now you're missing a whole arm.  He's too much.  An unhinged, loose cannon with no regard for anyone but himself. 

And you don't care about the flip flopping?  I thought the whole thing about Trump is that he means what he says?    Are you OK with him flip flopping on something you heavily support 2 years into his presidency?  What if in 2 years he wants totally open borders?  Says he never wanted a wall anyway?  Because that's the kind of flip flopping, pandering, say-anything-to-get-power kind of person Trump is. 

He's the kind of person that might wake up one day, decides he didn't like what Sergio Mattarella tweeted about him last night and orders a nuke dropped on Rome.  Sadly, I wish I was being hyperbolic.  I honestly wish we had better candidates on both sides.  But we don't.  One may screw us up financially a little longer.  The other could start another civil war and WWIII at the same time.  I know where I'd rather take my chances.

Trump can be reasonable, maybe you saw him in Mexico.

Hilary also has a history of flip flopping and flatout lying to the public. So... its a not worth debating.

If the dems didnt pick another Obama, Trump wouldnt have this traction.

Obama would wreck Trump in a head to head election. So would Bill Clinton. Even Mitt Romney I think if he decided to run could have taken Trump. The only reason this election is close is because Hilary is not a very gifted political/charismatic personality and she still has a reasonably good shot at winning. 



Mr Puggsly on 18 September 2016
sundin13 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Trump is really talking policies now while Hilary and Obama just attack Trump voters. Because its evident liberal policies are garbage just like Obama administration.

Specifically which policies of Trump's do you support?

Frankly, the only thing I was opposed to was his harsh stance on immigration. There is no way he could acomplish his original plan and it would not get support. I'm glad he flip flopped on that. No need to force people out unless they are a genuine burden such as criminals.

But I do support actually putting more effort in tracking who is here illegally and better border security.



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Mr Puggsly on 18 September 2016
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Mr Puggsly said:

Trump can be reasonable, maybe you saw him in Mexico.

I did watch it.  He looked like he was afraid to lose his head if he didn't keep his usual bluster in check.

 

Oh and..."We didn't talk about the wall" - Trump.

"At the start of the conversation with Donald Trump, I made it clear that Mexico will not pay for the wall" - Nieto.

 

He even lies when he's restrained. 

Trump wasnt there to collect a check nor do we expect Mexico to hand over the money. It would be done through taxes and it create jobs for Mexican citizans to build that shit. Maybe those builders should also get an opportunity to be US citizens.

You either want a loose canon or someone restained. Trump handled Mexico well and kudos for going.

I genuinely respect Trump talks to anyone, even people that hate him. Its the opposite of Hilary who just talks to her dick riders.



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fory77 on 18 September 2016

Good job derailing, lads. Why isn't there a Trump General?

SpokenTruth said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You're generalizing to make an argument.

Some issues he absolutely tells the truth. Some things like ther birther stuff should just be avoided.

Trump is really talking policies now while Hilary and Obama just attack Trump voters. Because its evident liberal policies are garbage just like Obama administration.

Here, just watch this.   Actually watch it.

"When i'm president, i'm a different person. I can do anything. I could be the most politically correct person that you've ever seen"

What the fuck, i find myself viewing Trump in a much more positive light after hearing that. You could even claim i love him now.

But really, i can't wait for the debates, that shit would gonna be hilarious if the mods let them talk about one another. 



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Mr Puggsly on 18 September 2016
Soundwave said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Trump can be reasonable, maybe you saw him in Mexico.

Hilary also has a history of flip flopping and flatout lying to the public. So... its a not worth debating.

If the dems didnt pick another Obama, Trump wouldnt have this traction.

Obama would wreck Trump in a head to head election. So would Bill Clinton. Even Mitt Romney I think if he decided to run could have taken Trump. The only reason this election is close is because Hilary is not a very gifted political/charismatic personality and she still has a reasonably good shot at winning. 

Well its a shame Obama and Bill cant run. Obama's legacy right now is shit, the Obama we know now is a pitiful leader. More dems turned on Obama versus Bill. Bill clearly being some sort of sexual deviant hasnt helped his legacy either.

Fuck personality and charisma, Hilary's biggest issues is being a liar and wanting to keep pushing the same BS as Obama.



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Soundwave on 18 September 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Soundwave said:

Obama would wreck Trump in a head to head election. So would Bill Clinton. Even Mitt Romney I think if he decided to run could have taken Trump. The only reason this election is close is because Hilary is not a very gifted political/charismatic personality and she still has a reasonably good shot at winning. 

Well its a shame Obama and Bill cant run. Obama's legacy right now is shit, the Obama we know now is a pitiful leader. More dems turned on Obama versus Bill. Bill clearly being some sort of sexual deviant hasnt helped his legacy either.

Fuck personality and charisma, Hilary's biggest issues is being a liar and wanting to keep pushing the same BS as Obama.

Obama's approval ratings right now are quite high, among the highest for a president leaving office. Perhaps people know he's a lot better than these two candidates. His legacy will be fine, president's are often remember better after the fact. 

Trump is as much of a sexual "deviant" as Bill, lol. To me that doesn't matter, men tend to like fucking women, powerful men simply have more oppurtunity to do so. 



Soundwave on 18 September 2016
the-pi-guy said:

According to the alt-right reddit

The Alt-Right, unlike the dominant ideology of the 20th Century (Liberalism/Conservatism), examines the world through a lens of realism. Rather than continue to look at the world through the ideological blinders that Liberalism imposes in its dogmatic evangelism of the Equalitarianreligion, we prefer to look & examine social relations & demographics from a perspective of what's real. Thus, racial & sexual realism is a key component of the Alt-Right - perhaps the key component that ties the diverse factions within it together.

Another core principle of the Alt-Right is Identitarianism. Identitarianism is the prioritization of social identity, regardless of political persuasion. Thus, the Alt-Right promotes White Identity and White Nationalism.

Basically white supremastics without the balls to actually really confront people of color. At least the racists of the 50s/60s would turn up as an angry violent mob to espouse their beliefs (they also lost the so-called "culture war", turns out "hate" has a pretty shitty win/loss record). 



sundin13 on 18 September 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
sundin13 said:

Specifically which policies of Trump's do you support?

Frankly, the only thing I was opposed to was his harsh stance on immigration. There is no way he could acomplish his original plan and it would not get support. I'm glad he flip flopped on that. No need to force people out unless they are a genuine burden such as criminals.

But I do support actually putting more effort in tracking who is here illegally and better border security.

Trump's policy on Immigration (primarily legal immigration) is still pretty terrible. Then theres all the issues with his China policy (being outdated and against WTO rules) and his tax policy (still being far too costly). The main three pillars of his campaign are all very shaky and it seems that most of his other points are also full of holes (for example his newly unveiled child care plan which from what I've seen has largely been lambasted). Thats why I asked for specifics. Everything that I've looked into has been full of holes.



Soundwave on 18 September 2016
sundin13 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Frankly, the only thing I was opposed to was his harsh stance on immigration. There is no way he could acomplish his original plan and it would not get support. I'm glad he flip flopped on that. No need to force people out unless they are a genuine burden such as criminals.

But I do support actually putting more effort in tracking who is here illegally and better border security.

Trump's policy on Immigration (primarily legal immigration) is still pretty terrible. Then theres all the issues with his China policy (being outdated and against WTO rules) and his tax policy (still being far too costly). The main three pillars of his campaign are all very shaky and it seems that most of his other points are also full of holes (for example his newly unveiled child care plan which from what I've seen has largely been lambasted). Thats why I asked for specifics. Everything that I've looked into has been full of holes.

He will cave on all those issues, anyone but an idiot knows that. He just needs to say anything and everything to get into power, once he's in, he'll cave on issues, he's not a candidate of any real beliefs, he is new breed of "show business" celebrity candidate that needs to keep interest high through self promotion.

China could call in trillions of US debt if the US even tried to piss them off for example.