Last president who had a *great* economy was a Clinton. Trump will bend over backwards to Wall Street too, anyone who really does not think that is naive to how the world works.
Trump or Hillary? | |||
| Trump FTW! | 305 | 51.69% | |
| Hillary all the way! | 285 | 48.31% | |
| Total: | 590 | ||
Last president who had a *great* economy was a Clinton. Trump will bend over backwards to Wall Street too, anyone who really does not think that is naive to how the world works.
| pray4mojo said: The problem with Trump is his IQ level. Once he's faced off with a politician in a live, national debate... where he can't just make up shit, and the moderator is fact checking... he's going to implode harder than a black hole. |
He did fine with repub debates. I think he will do just fine with hillary, if she is even healthy enough to stand for a debate
Ljink96 said:
This is exactly why he can't win. Nobody wants a president who only appeals to one demographic. You're running an entire country, the US isn't a niche market company who only can relate to one group of consumers. Polls literally mean nothing. They never have. Polls had al gore ahead of bush several times but in the end well, you should know what happened. The whole system is rigged either way. I don't necessarily like Hillary either. She's not really likeable as a person, AND NEITHER IS TRUMP, but she will most likely get something done. I'd rather have a non-likeable president than a complete idiot who promotes racism and bigotry. |
Glad to see another person supporting Trump. Its about time we get those racsist, taco bowl supporting, dems out of office
| Qwark said: As a European I pretty much beg you Americans to not vote for Trump. |
Yea cause we would to live like europeans. I dont know why europeans and others around the world think they know whats "best" for us. And they call us arrogant. Take care of your own house before giving us advice on ours
The issue is economic systems offered by far right and left and even the centre are not working to today's reality.
The reality today is of low growth and high debt. The factors do not support an economy to boom and there are no sensible steps that government can take to boost the economy apart from heading to a financial cliff.
Trump offers protectionism and lower tax rates and expects supply side economics to grow the economy. Ronald Reagan was a good president but that aspect of his presidency was a huge failure and we saw it under Bush II as well.
Bernie offers protectionism and massive increasing spending expecting massive growth of the economy to pay for or offset any rise of the Debt to GDP ratio (or in others ways they do not care about the debt).
However we saw under the Obama Stimulus plan that spending a lot of money is more about ensuring your house does not burn down then anything about repairing it. The US economy was only creating net new job well over a year after the stimulus plan in late 2010 and early 2011.
Now I hear of a wacky idea in the UK that the government be lent money interest free to build infrastructure? Using that logic why not just print money and make it out of thin air ?
thranx said:
Yea cause we would to live like europeans. I dont know why europeans and others around the world think they know whats "best" for us. And they call us arrogant. Take care of your own house before giving us advice on ours |
The Netherlands do pretty great for years now, anyway I don't like the idea of a man that gets angry by a tweet regarding his hands commanding the united states it's forces. Beisdes he didn't rule out to use nukes against Europe and on IS. I don't like people who treathen with nukes no matter the target, it's one thing to vaporize something it's another thing to make it non liveable for at least 30 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n94SUXmCQPo
So I don't beg for your American is sake but for our own sake, we don't want to be part of a nuclear war
Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar


| LadyJasmine said: Well the issue is the economic recovery is not broad and I question the stats. According to the stats we are approaching full employment with sub 5% unemployment, yet the Labour Participation rate is far lower then in the past and the country is more riled up and divided as ever ? Something does not add up... |
You have to remember that labor participation accounts for people who are at the retirement age as well. You cannot only look at the Labour Participation rate but instead a bunch of other charts like the one that shows people who are 65 and older, hell you might even go to 55 since that is the age my Mom retired from IBM. The problem sometimes with certain stats is that they do not show the complete picture even the unemployment %.


| Mr Puggsly said: The thing is Isis became a real threat under Obama's watch. Its a threat that was allowed to grow because the world ignored it. I've looked around the web from crime commited by illegal aliens, what I see is significantly higher than 1%. I get the impression you're citing a source that supports what you want but may not be reality. Even articles that sympathetic illegal aliens give statistics higher than 1%. Either way, we should do a better job monitoring who's here illegally and throwing out anyone commiting crimes. Anywho, I feel Hilary's lies are more signfiicant. |
Yes ISIS did become a bigger threat under Obama presidency but then again to put the total blame on Obama is viewing the situation without considering the full scope. What I find interesting is that people complained that we were in a war we should not have been in so bring back our troops. When our troops started dying people complained. When Obama did not bring the troops home fast enough there was complaining, when we were forced out of Iraq because our agreement was up, people blamed him for pulling our troops and helping spread ISSIS. The thing is no matter what the president did he was going to be blamed for it because the president is blamed for everything. People forget that Obama kept the troops in Iraq because the area was destabilized. We had to bring back the troops after the Bush agreement with Iraq was over and they told us we had to leave. Not leaving would have broken that agreement and thus meant occupation.
As for crimes commited by illegal aliens, I did not say illegal aliens I said undocumented Mexican immigrants. There is a big difference here because Trump did not say illegal aliens, he specifically pointed to undocument Mexicans since he was using them as his case to support building a wall. He stated that Mexico is sending their people here who are murders and rapaist not illegal aliens. If he stated it that way we probably would have nothing to talk about on that subject.
For your last point I do understand how you feel. As a father, my kids make the same lies as Hillary all the time. You get in trouble and you think you can spin it so that your dad does not punish you. Hell, as a husband, who has not told their wife a few lies because you did not want to deal with the fallout. One of my biggest problem with Trump is that if he make up stuff like this before he gets into office, what will he do once there. Usually POTUS canidates do not lie or make up as much stuff as Trump before they get into office because they are concerned about character and image. The fact that Trump doesn't care about Trump at this stage does not look good for how his presidency would go. I believe something like Bush and the Iraqi war and saying there was WMDs would be the least of the lies that we will see from him.
thranx said:
Yea cause we would to live like europeans. I dont know why europeans and others around the world think they know whats "best" for us. And they call us arrogant. Take care of your own house before giving us advice on ours |
You know, Europe is 45 countries, 23 languages, never assume there is a single opinion, single way of living inside Europe. But it's fair enough to say there are a lot of arrogant people.
But the reason why so many people in Europe think they have a say on what USA should do is because USA has a tremendous impact on the Europe and the world, and thus american voters have some sort of accountabilty toward the world. The fact is this impact does not just come from being a superpower, it come from the USA elites actively imposing what they think is "best" to many countries wether through war, or wether through regulations and trade agreements.
My own point of view is that Trump is in the right direction. If Trump can deal with immigration, unfair trades, and generate growth, the USA will have a positive influence as an example, as a growth engine, and as a competitor. I'm not saying you owe us anything, or that we should not fix it ourselves, but I can tell you that when the USA get crazy about offshoring, finance, and China's imports, it's almost impossible to compete without doing the same. We could still manage, but the first step would be to throw out crooked politicians, and you can see how hard it is... it's even harder with Europe.
There's a very real possibility that Trump will win.
The way that can happen is if democrats are not voting because they're disappointed with their candidate while Trump supporters are voting.
So as a non-American I urge our American friends to vote!
I know Clinton doesn't have the most attractive personality, but at least she's not a totally self obsessed, ignorant, racist idiot. She actually has real plans to improve the US. Plans that will matter to the average American. And unlike Trump, she has a long history of public service.
And make no mistake: Trump isn't in the race to serve the US, he's in it to serve his own ego. Becoming the POTUS is his ultimate power fantasy.
"Make America Great Again" is a hollow promise from a hollow person who squandered most of his daddy's money with his ineptitude.
He'll love your vote, but he'll think you're a loser anyway. Because anyone with less money and power than him is a loser in his eyes. And if you're not white, you're less than a loser in his eyes.
The guy has "potential power mongering dictator" written all over him.
He had kind of a bromance with Putin already. I wouldn't even be surprised if Trump and Kim Jung-Un would hit it off too (if not, there's always nukes amirite?).
I'd hate to be in the position to have to choose between Clinton and Trump, but I'd vote for Clinton in a heartbeat.
It seems kind of weird how US politics works. I bet if it were still possible to vote for Sanders or Obama (or any of the republican candidates for that matter), things wouldn't look so problematic.