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WagnerPaiva said:

Not at all. And I am not against homosexuals either. I am against the persecution of christians and the destruction of the infancy, just that.

Gays can marry, be happy, of course. But we do not need to expose our kids to sex at tender ages and neither multilate them before they are old enough to decide what they really want. 

We also do not need to arrest christians because they believe in the Holy Bible.

Aside that, sure, gays can marry and be happy.

Wow your stance on that is a breath of fresh air.  Different to how religous ones normally are on those types of things. 

But do we really arrest christians just because they believe in the bible?

The cases I know are the bakery owners that did not want to catter the gay wedding, the woman that would not sign a wedding certificate and the man that did not want to watch a gay video. All related to homosexuality, they refused because of Romans 1st.

I think people should not be punished if they refuse because of their christianity, there should be a alternative way, like, paying a small fine or something.



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lol, Christians are the privileged group in America.

Why not protest a Red Lobster? Shellfish is also forbidden in the Bible. Because protesting against shellfish doesn't get the self righteous juices flowing like taking it out on the gays I guess. 

"Equality" will always feel like persecution to the priveleged class, because they're not used to having to care about anyone else's rights. 

IMO the Christian right is being taken for a ride by Trump too, the only religion Trump really believes in is the religion of Trump and the ego that goes with it.



Soundwave said:

lol, Christians are the privileged group in America.

Why don't not protest a Red Lobster? Shellfish is also forbidden in the Bible.

"Equality" will always feel like persecution to the priveleged class, because they're not used to having to care about anyone else's rights. 

It isn´t mate. It was a unclean animal to the israelis in the occasion of the Levitical liturgy, which was the procedures to the Kingdom that was being formed to Israel as a promisse to Abraham. The first king of this teocracy was Esaul, followed by the famous King David, which was a archetype for the born again christian, that because he was forgiven time and time again during his reign.

Teocracy because God Himself was blessing the king and fighting the battles of Israel for them. It was a very special and unique kind of relationship, and this is why they had such a enormous amount of rules to keep it going.

As Jesus Christ came he became the new covenant and the dietary restrictions were removed, as you can read in the gospel of Luke, Acts and the letters of Paul.

Meaning, it was no longer a virtuous thing to select food for eating, as this was a costume before the the perfect blood of Jesus given willfully to erase the unrighteousness of all that believe in him.

The most famous verse about the cessation of dietary restriction to the born again christians is this:

Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake. 1 Cor. 10:25

This was revealed to the Apostle Paul.

Also Peter, called Sifas, recieved the New Covenant decree about this:

Acts 10:15
The voice spoke to him a second time: "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

The reason is because Jesus Christ righteousness was manifest to revoke any works men could do to justify themselves, because is only Christ our justification.

This is why is said that in the judgment those saved by Christ invoke as defense only the fact that they believe in Him, and aside that, they are worthy of damnantion.

Therefore, shellfish is no longer a issue. Remains a issue the eating or drinking of blood, as we read in Acts, because blood is the life of the animal.

This is why blood is used in witchcraft and demon worshipers drink blood.

It is a common mistake to think we have to follow the Levitical liturgy to be saved, but if you read carefully the New Testament you can understand what remains and what was specifically for a Teocracy of the jews.

The same with sodomy, in the teocracy days, a sodomite was cast out of the land. In the Age of grace, when God Himself repay our sins by dying in the cross, the most important thing is forgiviness. If I point you your sin and do not so in love, or forget that my own sins are equally as bad, then I already missed the mark.

The Holy Bible is a history with beginning, middle and end, and to rightly divide is essential to understand what it means.



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WagnerPaiva said:
Soundwave said:

lol, Christians are the privileged group in America.

Why don't not protest a Red Lobster? Shellfish is also forbidden in the Bible.

"Equality" will always feel like persecution to the priveleged class, because they're not used to having to care about anyone else's rights. 

It isn´t mate. It was a unclean animal to the israelis in the occasion of the Levitical liturgy, which was the procedures to the Kingdom that was being formed to Israel as a promisse to Abraham. The first king of this teocracy was Esaul, followed by the famous King David, which was a archetype for the born again christian, that because he was forgiven time and time again during his reign.

Teocracy because God Himself was blessing the king and fighting the battles of Israel for them. It was a very special and unique kind of relationship, and this is why they had such a enormous amount of rules to keep it going.

As Jesus Christ came he became the new covenant and the dietary restrictions were removed, as you can read in the gospel of Luke, Acts and the letters of Paul.

Meaning, it was no longer a virtuous thing to select food for eating, as this was a costume before the the perfect blood of Jesus given willfully to erase the unrighteousness of all that believe in him.

The most famous verse about the cessation of dietary restriction to the born again christians is this:

Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake. 1 Cor. 10:25

This was revealed to the Apostle Paul.

Also Peter, called Sifas, recieved the New Covenant decree about this:

Acts 10:15
The voice spoke to him a second time: "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

The reason is because Jesus Christ righteousness was manifest to revoke any works men could do to justify themselves, because is only Christ our justification.

This is why is said that in the judgment those saved by Christ invoke as defense only the fact that they believe in Him, and aside that, they are worthy of damnantion.

Therefore, shellfish is no longer a issue. Remains a issue the eating or drinking of blood, as we read in Acts, because blood is the life of the animal.

This is why blood is used in witchcraft and demon worshipers drink blood.

It is a common mistake to think we have to follow the Levitical liturgy to be saved, but if you read carefully the New Testament you can understand what remains and what was specifically for a Teocracy of the jews.

The same with sodomy, in the teocracy days, a sodomite was cast out of the land. In the Age of grace, when God Himself repay our sins by dying in the cross, the most important thing is forgiviness. If I point you your sin and do not so in love, or forget that my own sins are equally as bad, then I already missed the mark.

The Holy Bible is a history with beginning, middle and end, and to rightly divide is essential to understand what it means.

So basically, Leviticus is bunk. I went to Catholic school for 10 years. The whole thing is a mess, but it's basically just "lulz, don't believe the crazy stuff in the beginning, Jesus means all that stuff can be bypassed". It's just a bizarre middle eastern philosophy that even the Romans who co-opted it to try and keep their Empire going realized was full of too much crazy stuff that it had to be streamlined or bypassed entirely to be paltable to Roman society.

Jesus I don't believe even said anything about homosexuality or 10393938 other things, which is a bit bizarre being as how if its such a big deal you would think he could take 2 minutes to talk about it. 



Soundwave said:

So basically, Leviticus is bunk. I went to Catholic school for 10 years. The whole thing is a mess, but it's basically just "lulz, don't believe the crazy stuff in the beginning, Jesus means all that stuff can be bypassed". It's just a bizarre middle eastern philosophy that even the Romans who co-opted it to try and keep their Empire going realized was full of too much crazy stuff that it had to be streamlined or bypassed entirely to be paltable to Roman society.

Jesus I don't believe even said anything about homosexuality or 10393938 other things, which is a bit bizarre being as how if its such a big deal you would think he could take 2 minutes to talk about it. 

I see your point. I respect atheists that say "I do not believe in God, period".

But when people say "I hate God because he forbids me to eat shellfish" then I am compeled to explain that the God christians believe is the one that the Holy Bible, all 66 books combined, tell about. If you take a single verse it does not show the whole history.

But I understand that you does not care about that, you do not believe, period. But it is unfair to say something that the Holy Bible clearly does not say. It is a book that tells the history of mankind and the plan of Salvation.

You can not believe, of course, but to say it is because of shellfish is just not true.

It is like me saying that all gay people want to sodomize little children, it would be simply untrue and unfair, it would be dishonest. 



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WagnerPaiva said:
ps3-sales! said:
Is Trump against gays OP?

Not at all.

You could have fooled me with his VP pick.  Not that I care that much but apparently his VP pick cares a lot about gays (just not in the good way).



sethnintendo said:
WagnerPaiva said:

Not at all.

You could have fooled me with his VP pick.  Not that I care that much but apparently his VP pick cares a lot about gays (just not in the good way).

People like you and me want fair rights for everyone, that is also what most gays want.

But there is a agenda going around the world, coming from the LEft. The LEFT is using the homosexuals, seducing them with false promisses.

It is advancing fast here in brazil and America, that will sodomize the young children, and no one knows what that will bring. But, knowing all kinds of sexual abuse in the infancy destroys the adult mind, it is safe to say that it would create a whole generation of people with serious mental problems.

That is important to stop, the sodomization of children, mutilating kids, sexual ed at tender ages, sexual play in infancy. All this is being pushed as Law all around the world and this is why it is important that the christians are not opressed when they refuse to take part of it.

Love them or hate them, the christians are the some of the only ones that understand that the infancy is sacred and can not be messed with. Sex and infancy do not mix, they should not mix.

This is why we must stay vigilant, some evil people are seducing the gays with promisses of equality but using them to force a much more sinister agenda.

I know some laws passed already in the US, and it is very interesting that are the same laws proposed in Brazil, with support of the same group and from the same financier, Soros.

I know some states in America are mutilating children, and calling it "sex correction" and they are trying to force it here now. This is just one of the very few reasons why I think even gays are better off with Trump.

The LEFT is using and seducing homosexuals to enforce this infancy destroying policy.

Why? Because they know if they mess up a infant mind in a earlier age, it will be much easier to control them.

 

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WagnerPaiva said:
Soundwave said:

So basically, Leviticus is bunk. I went to Catholic school for 10 years. The whole thing is a mess, but it's basically just "lulz, don't believe the crazy stuff in the beginning, Jesus means all that stuff can be bypassed". It's just a bizarre middle eastern philosophy that even the Romans who co-opted it to try and keep their Empire going realized was full of too much crazy stuff that it had to be streamlined or bypassed entirely to be paltable to Roman society.

Jesus I don't believe even said anything about homosexuality or 10393938 other things, which is a bit bizarre being as how if its such a big deal you would think he could take 2 minutes to talk about it. 

I see your point. I respect atheists that say "I do not believe in God, period".

But when people say "I hate God because he forbids me to eat shellfish" then I am compeled to explain that the God christians believe is the one that the Holy Bible, all 66 books combined, tell about. If you take a single verse it does not show the whole history.

But I understand that you does not care about that, you do not believe, period. But it is unfair to say something that the Holy Bible clearly does not say. It is a book that tells the history of mankind and the plan of Salvation.

You can not believe, of course, but to say it is because of shellfish is just not true.

It is like me saying that all gay people want to sodomize little children, it would be simply untrue and unfair, it would be dishonest. 

I'm not an atheist, perhaps there is something beyond death (or perhaps not), but I don't believe middle eastern goat herders from 2000 years ago have the answers. Organized religion is large in my view just about control ... controlling people and gaining their money. This was vital to any poltical structure, so religion is a valuable tool. 

The honest truth is a religion could just say "don't be a dick head to other people, treat everyone how you'd want to be treated, reject arrogance, be humble" and that would basically cover most of the basics of being a good person. But that wouldn't fill a 800 page book. And of course they need to have power/control/money so there has to be a carrot to dangle, so it becomes that whole "we're this exclusive club and you only get gifts from Santa .... eeerrrrrrr, life in heaven, 72 virgins, etc. etc. etc. if you believe in our special brand of religion."

No serious enlightened being, whether it's Jesus or Buddha or whoever would ever ascribe to any kind of ridiculous bankrupt spiritual philosophy like that, anymore than a good parent would ever threaten to starve their kids or lock them into a dark room for all of eternity if they didn't worship them constantly. It's a ridiculous theory to be honest that "God" is so insecure in him/herself that he needs to be constantly worshipped in the first place. 

Beyond that I understand why religion needs to exist for the time being, as human beings death is a traumatic experience; losing others, our own mortality, etc. We need something to fill the "gap", religion provides a comforting stop-gap. At some point though even that incentive will minimize, I think in 200-300 years humans will be able to live basically forever (or for huge periods of time). Provided we don't kill each other first based our tribal stupidities. 

I don't mind religious people who are genuinely interested in being enlightened and using their beliefs for the betterment of society. Religion is an understandable crutch, life is a scary, brutal thing at times, until humanity can answer what happens after death, a lot of people need something to believe in. 



Soundwave said:

No serious enlightened being, whether it's Jesus or Buddha or whoever would ever ascribe to any kind of ridiculous bankrupt spiritual philosophy like that, anymore than a good parent would ever threaten to starve their kids or lock them into a dark room for all of eternity if they didn't worship them constantly. It's a ridiculous theory to be honest that "God" is so insecure in him/herself that he needs to be constantly worshipped in the first place. 

Beyond that I understand why religion needs to exist for the time being, as human beings death is a traumatic experience; losing others, our own mortality, etc. We need something to fill the "gap", religion provides a comforting stop-gap. At some point though even that incentive will minimize, I think in 200-300 years humans will be able to live basically forever (or for huge periods of time). Provided we don't kill each other first based our tribal stupidities. 

I don't mind religious people who are genuinely interested in being enlightened and using their beliefs for the betterment of society. Religion is an understandable crutch, life is a scary, brutal thing at times, until humanity can answer what happens after death, a lot of people need something to believe in. 

I hear you. About what you believe, it is your prerrogative, what can I say about it? It is pretty much who you are and what you are living, only God himself can draw people to Him, not a chat in a videogame forum. 

The shellfish argument is much more common than you think, it even appeared in the movie AUDACITY, which is about this very issue...

Anyways, anyone can believe all they want, and I know no one here, trusting in Trump or Hillary, has a evil agenda behind it.

Whatever happens, we will do our best with what they give us.



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Machiavellian said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I think the poor handling of terrorism is why Isis exist. We are simply reactive, little action is taken to eliminate Isis. We cant simply ignore them. Now they are winning minds and that creates homegrown terrorism.

I doubt Mexico is sending them, but the main point is bad ones do come across. Its inevitable when you have millions of people coming in.

Anywho, I'm not denying Trump spews BS. I'm just more bothered by the lies Hilary tells to protect her ass. Also the dems arguing racism every two seconds just divides the country more.

Do not forget that Isis existed way before Obama.  It started when US disbanded Saddam Hussein forces and they formed up with al Qaeda.  We as a nation pretty much create ISIS when we invaded Iraq.  All those out of work Iraqi forces had to go somewhere once they were out of work.

Bad people come to the US even when they are documented.  The thing is that if you check the stats of people in jail or commited bad crimes or drug related crimes by undocumented people from Mexico in the last 10 years its less than 1%.

I personally do not see the differece between Hillary lieing to protect her butt then Trump just making up lies to support whatever he is selling.  Just now he made a claim that Ford is going to fire all of their US workers because they are building a plant in Mexico.  The CEO of Ford had to go on the air disclaiming this rant from Trump as a complete lie.  He stated they are building the Plant in Mexico because labor is 40% cheaper and this is where they are moving their small cheap car factory so they can make money while US factories in the US which is up 50% make the other units.

My point is that it’s very disturbing that people seem to gloss over how Trump totally fabricate his own facts to support a policy he want to push.  Mexicans are sending murders and rapist to the US so let’s build a wall to stop it.  Muslins are blowing shit up so let’s stop all muslins from coming to the US.  Ford is creating a plant in Mexico so they must be firing their US workers and setting up business there.  EPA regulations hurt business so let’s rescind the EPA, remove the clean water bill and also remove regulations on business for health related regulations.  The list goes on and on how on most of his major political points he uses complete made up lies to support his position.  There really does seem to be a double standard when it comes to Hillary compared to Trump.  Trump seems to get the ok he was embellishing the Trump while Hillary is seen as a serial liar.  I cannot understand why both isn’t considered serial liars if they both lie all the time.

The thing is Isis became a real threat under Obama's watch. Its a threat that was allowed to grow because the world ignored it.

I've looked around the web from crime commited by illegal aliens, what I see is significantly higher than 1%. I get the impression you're citing a source that supports what you want but may not be reality. Even articles that sympathetic illegal aliens give statistics higher than 1%. Either way, we should do a better job monitoring who's here illegally and throwing out anyone commiting crimes.

Anywho, I feel Hilary's lies are more signfiicant.



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