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It looks like it but I don't like the way the alternative channels are using Hillary's illness. It's one thing pointing it out but it's another to use it for political gain. Watching her collapse and having to be helped into her car is distressing to me.



 

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If Trump collapsed the media would have made hay of it ^^^

IMO Hillary health is in question and considering the duplicitous nature of the Democratic Party history with Hillary, I think her health will become one of those untrustworthy elements of Hillary.



LadyJasmine said:
If Trump collapsed the media would have made hay of it ^^^

IMO Hillary health is in question and considering the duplicitous nature of the Democratic Party history with Hillary, I think her health will become one of those untrustworthy elements of Hillary.

And that would distress me too. This whole they would do it so we're alright to do it is childish. It's a human being and they're ill.



 

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GribbleGrunger said:
LadyJasmine said:
If Trump collapsed the media would have made hay of it ^^^

IMO Hillary health is in question and considering the duplicitous nature of the Democratic Party history with Hillary, I think her health will become one of those untrustworthy elements of Hillary.

And that would distress me too. This whole they would do it so we're alright to do it is childish. It's a human being and they're ill.

Considering the nature of this election I dont think either side supports cares much about the health of the 'other' sadly. 



By big concern is that there a lot of Mitt Romney types (never Trump) who may come back to Backing Trump if they start to think victory is possible.



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So I was reading some info on the Trump Foundation and I wonder if people have paid attention to some of the things that have been exposed. So we know about the low ball 20K bribe for the Florida AG to drop the Trump University case but there is some other stuff I thought was very interesting and it has to do with Trump and charities. So there is one report where Trump stated he gave a million dollars to a veteran group. Trump received a lot of attention when he made this statement but someone actually decided to find what group received the money and it was found it was none. Then you have the other incidents where Trump used other donors to the Foundation money to fund some charities but claimed the money came from himself. Its stuff like this that I wonder if any Trump supporter is really looking at or do they believe the information is false or do they believe that Hillary is so bad that the bar has been set so low that they are non issues compared to her or voting any other candidate.



Machiavellian said:
So I was reading some info on the Trump Foundation and I wonder if people have paid attention to some of the things that have been exposed. So we know about the low ball 20K bribe for the Florida AG to drop the Trump University case but there is some other stuff I thought was very interesting and it has to do with Trump and charities. So there is one report where Trump stated he gave a million dollars to a veteran group. Trump received a lot of attention when he made this statement but someone actually decided to find what group received the money and it was found it was none. Then you have the other incidents where Trump used other donors to the Foundation money to fund some charities but claimed the money came from himself. Its stuff like this that I wonder if any Trump supporter is really looking at or do they believe the information is false or do they believe that Hillary is so bad that the bar has been set so low that they are non issues compared to her or voting any other candidate.

1. They absolutely do not care.

2. They'll just point back to Hillary.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

In my opinion I really do believe that Trump does not want the job of being President but instead want what the title will do for his Brand. I think about the Trump organization and how it sells his name for money which looks to be very lucrative and you think with the title of President how that would strengthen his brand. Then you look at some of the things he has stated about getting rid of a lot of regulations that hamper business (mostly his or his partners). Getting rid of the EPA, which I find very interesting that he goes to Flint Michigan with their water issues and he opposes the clean water bill that is on the table because of Flint.

I personally believe Pence will be running the show and his aids while Trump will be visiting many different countries where he has interest and making deals or sealing deals for the Trump organization. If Trump does win, it would be very interesting to see if he truly divest himself from his organization and not talk about something like a Blind Trust with his Son and daughter still running the show.



Poll Shows Tight Race for Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton

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Now that's a real seizure inducer.



Machiavellian said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I disagree. Trump's lies have more to do with hyperbole and flip flopping on positions. Perhaps that doesn't bother me as much as it should.

The things Hilary is lying about and has been caught lying about, well that concerns me more.

Mr Puggsly, you have to hold Trump to the same criteria that you hold Hillary.  When Trump make statements like "Obama created Isis" for the uneducated it does not sound like hyperbole.  When Trump claims that Mexico is sending their rapist and muders across the boader when there is no shread of evidence to support that claim.  When Trump make statements to farmers that Clinton "want to shut down family farms" but then you can go to her web site and see the absolute opposite. The list is very long on Trump just making up stuff when he is speaking.  Its one thing to use data and try to paint it in favor of what you are talking about, its something totally different when you just make stuff up hoping no one will take the time to check if what you say is true.

I have read pretty much every speach from Trump, Clinton and even Gary Johnson and the common theme with Trump is that he is the only one that make up his own facts.  

I think the poor handling of terrorism is why Isis exist. We are simply reactive, little action is taken to eliminate Isis. We cant simply ignore them. Now they are winning minds and that creates homegrown terrorism.

I doubt Mexico is sending them, but the main point is bad ones do come across. Its inevitable when you have millions of people coming in.

Anywho, I'm not denying Trump spews BS. I'm just more bothered by the lies Hilary tells to protect her ass. Also the dems arguing racism every two seconds just divides the country more.



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