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There's lots of ironies and hypocrisies like for example Sony being the one that touted the Playstation brand as being the central hub for games AND movies, etc. now suddenly acting like Nintendo during the GameCube era when Nintendo was given a lot of grief back then for being "game focused". It's also ironic to spend an hour talking up 4KTV and then release a console that doesn't really do native 4K for games or movies. 

And so on and so on.

To be honest who cares if Sony is criticized. Why does it bother some people so much? Microsoft and Nintendo take more than their fair share of criticism all the time, Sony is not exempt from making poor decisions. It happens. Let people vent, not everyone has to love every decision they make. They are just another company.

If the situation was reversed and Sony was making the Scorpio and MS was making the XBox Pro with no 4K UHD support and no native 4K, you can bet Microsoft would be getting blasted for it with lots of "wait for Playstation Scorpio, MS dun goofed again!". Is it the end of the world? No. Should Sony be exempt from any kind of criticism no matter what? That's equally a no.



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FunFan said:

Some people attack corporations for any numbers of reasons, while in response other people attack the people that attack "their" corporations. Because to me attacking people is worse than attacking corporations, I prefer to side with the people and not the corporations thank you very much.

corporations are people.



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It's a quite sterile argument I would say.

The PS3 had mandatory blu-ray support. Was it a controversial choice? Of course, yes. The console released 1 one year after X360 and was much more expansive. Those extra 200$ weren't justified if you only wanted a console to play games or if you didn't have a proper TV. Sony justified its choice by saying blu-rays were supposed to give a sensible advatage for gaming, which was clearly not the case since multiplaform titles were on par with 360 even in the late console cycle.
On the other hand, Microsoft - who was supporting the HD-DVD at the time - gave you the option to buy the player separetly, which was definetly a more customer friendly move.

Now let's look at PS4 Pro situation. First of all, 4k readers aren't a great technological leap over the previous format, as apposed to blu-rays in 2006. So including 4K player into the console wouldn't have a great cost impact, as someone seems to expect. Secondly, customers have choice anyway. If you don't have a 4K television you can buy the PS4 slim. If the PS4 Pro is meant to be a premium device for 4K TV owners, it's disappointing you can't play 4k movies with it.



twintail said:
jason1637 said:

MS did it with the S. I saw somewhere that the 500gb S cost like $225 to make.

Then maybe go find the cost to make a ps4s first?

But he knows how much the X1 S costs... according to "somewhere" so that means that the PS4 has to cost the same right, they are both consoles = they cost the same to make.

I mean, Isn't it strange that the "N"3DS XL costs €239 to buy when you consider that the manufacturing costs of a microwave is so cheap? I mean.. I don't know how Nintendo don't include the OLED screen of the Vita when microwaves are so cheap to manufacture, what gives Sony?!!!



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Soundwave said:

There's lots of ironies and hypocrisies like for example Sony being the one that touted the Playstation brand as being the central hub for games AND movies, etc. now suddenly acting like Nintendo during the GameCube era when Nintendo was given a lot of grief back then for being "game focused". It's also ironic to spend an hour talking up 4KTV and then release a console that doesn't really do native 4K for games or movies. 

And so on and so on.

To be honest who cares if Sony is criticized. Why does it bother some people so much? Microsoft and Nintendo take more than their fair share of criticism all the time, Sony is not exempt from making poor decisions. It happens. Let people vent, not everyone has to love every decision they make. They are just another company.

If the situation was reversed and Sony was making the Scorpio and MS was making the XBox Pro with no 4K UHD support and no native 4K, you can bet Microsoft would be getting blasted for it with lots of "wait for Playstation Scorpio, MS dun goofed again!". Is it the end of the world? No. Should Sony be exempt from any kind of criticism no matter what? That's equally a no.

Agree with this, criticisms happen at Nintendo and Microsoft as well for their own reasons. I don't know why there people are bothered by people criticizing Sony about this other than "Sony can't do wrong".



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darkenergy said:
Soundwave said:

There's lots of ironies and hypocrisies like for example Sony being the one that touted the Playstation brand as being the central hub for games AND movies, etc. now suddenly acting like Nintendo during the GameCube era when Nintendo was given a lot of grief back then for being "game focused". It's also ironic to spend an hour talking up 4KTV and then release a console that doesn't really do native 4K for games or movies. 

And so on and so on.

To be honest who cares if Sony is criticized. Why does it bother some people so much? Microsoft and Nintendo take more than their fair share of criticism all the time, Sony is not exempt from making poor decisions. It happens. Let people vent, not everyone has to love every decision they make. They are just another company.

If the situation was reversed and Sony was making the Scorpio and MS was making the XBox Pro with no 4K UHD support and no native 4K, you can bet Microsoft would be getting blasted for it with lots of "wait for Playstation Scorpio, MS dun goofed again!". Is it the end of the world? No. Should Sony be exempt from any kind of criticism no matter what? That's equally a no.

Agree with this, criticisms happen at Nintendo and Microsoft as well for their own reasons. I don't know why there people are bothered by people criticizing Sony about this other than "Sony can't do wrong".

No one ever said "Sony can't do wrong."  And it's a fact that Microsoft/Xbox supporters have cried "abuse" here on these forums.  The most recent case was the accusation that users were abusing the news voting system to target Xbox users.  In fact, Soundwave just admitted that people are also bothered by the criticism of Microsoft by painting the alternate scenario he just described.  You guys are just proving my point more and more.



darkenergy said:
Soundwave said:

There's lots of ironies and hypocrisies like for example Sony being the one that touted the Playstation brand as being the central hub for games AND movies, etc. now suddenly acting like Nintendo during the GameCube era when Nintendo was given a lot of grief back then for being "game focused". It's also ironic to spend an hour talking up 4KTV and then release a console that doesn't really do native 4K for games or movies. 

And so on and so on.

To be honest who cares if Sony is criticized. Why does it bother some people so much? Microsoft and Nintendo take more than their fair share of criticism all the time, Sony is not exempt from making poor decisions. It happens. Let people vent, not everyone has to love every decision they make. They are just another company.

If the situation was reversed and Sony was making the Scorpio and MS was making the XBox Pro with no 4K UHD support and no native 4K, you can bet Microsoft would be getting blasted for it with lots of "wait for Playstation Scorpio, MS dun goofed again!". Is it the end of the world? No. Should Sony be exempt from any kind of criticism no matter what? That's equally a no.

Agree with this, criticisms happen at Nintendo and Microsoft as well for their own reasons. I don't know why there people are bothered by people criticizing Sony about this other than "Sony can't do wrong".

Sony do plenty of wrong by gamers though, heck this months PSN+ title thread had a number of people upset at the inclusion of Journey because it was pushed on the PS4 during a sale 2 weeks ago, a lot of people bought the game then and got upset about it, what people are vocal about is why it matters to MS/Nintendo fans if the console comes with a drive or not, not that Sony are sainthood in a company, just that they are in the business for a number of generations now and they seem to have a winner in the ps4 and now the ps4pro is a powerhouse for a 2016 eight gen console.



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Cobretti2 said:
Kerotan said:
All this week's meltdown proved is there are a ton of people who've been hiding in the long grass waiting for an excuse to have a proper good go at Sony.

Everything you say is true. But there are more things to add to it.

Where were all these haters when the Wii and 360 didn't receive a built in blu ray.

Where will they be if the NX doesn't have a uhd Blu-ray player or maybe not even a standard one.

This will pass, and Sony will move on. Mark my words. Ps4 will pass 70m units sold at some point in 2017. I think that will answer the critics. This whole drama ain't gonna slow down the ps4.

You are comparing apples and orangese. Sony practically invented BluRay. They even bribed big studios in the end with big cash to ensure they moved over to BluRay to kill HD DVD.

BluRay is Sony's baby effectively. People have grown to associate BluRay with Playstation.

So what I am saying is I can understand why people are complaining. Persoally i think it is too early as 4K tvs are not mainstream yet, however I do not need to make rebuttle threads all over the internet to try an attack because some people made the decision to be dissapointed.

 

 

 

Haha that's hilarious but true.  blu ray is Sony's child and now it's all grown up and going to university Microsoft has offered it a scholarship in the UHD academy.  Funny how things change.  Sony are probably happy with regular blu ray continuing its small take over of the dvd.  Can't blame them.  

 

They pushed cd's, they pushed,  dvd's, they pushed blu ray.  Not its time for them to rest.  Let Microsoft push the last ever format UHD. Sony gony straight to the streaming future. 



LivingMetal said:
darkenergy said:

Agree with this, criticisms happen at Nintendo and Microsoft as well for their own reasons. I don't know why there people are bothered by people criticizing Sony about this other than "Sony can't do wrong".

No one ever said "Sony can't do wrong."  And it's a fact that Microsoft/Xbox supporters have cried "abuse" here on these forums.  The most recent case was the accusation that users were abusing the news voting system to target Xbox users.  In fact, Soundwave just admitted that people are also bothered by the criticism of Microsoft by painting the alternate scenario he just described.  You guys are just proving my point more and more.

Some supporters not all, also the person who had a problem with the voting system was not even a huge MS/Xbox supporter he was mostly a PC gamer. 



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Cobretti2 said:
Kerotan said:
All this week's meltdown proved is there are a ton of people who've been hiding in the long grass waiting for an excuse to have a proper good go at Sony.

Everything you say is true. But there are more things to add to it.

Where were all these haters when the Wii and 360 didn't receive a built in blu ray.

Where will they be if the NX doesn't have a uhd Blu-ray player or maybe not even a standard one.

This will pass, and Sony will move on. Mark my words. Ps4 will pass 70m units sold at some point in 2017. I think that will answer the critics. This whole drama ain't gonna slow down the ps4.

You are comparing apples and orangese. Sony practically invented BluRay. They even bribed big studios in the end with big cash to ensure they moved over to BluRay to kill HD DVD...

Historically incorrect.  You want to know what killed HD-DVD?  Answer: Warner Bros. Warner Bros was supporting Blu-ray, HD-DVD, and DVD.  When their Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sales were stagnant while DVD sales dipped over the Holiday shopping season (forgot which year), Warner Bros saw it as a sign that the consumers were on the fence when it came to deciding an HD format.  So on their own accord, Warner Bros publicly announced their abandonment of HD-DVD and their full support behind Blu-Ray.  That's when the dominoes fell in favor of Blu-Ray.  The consumers spoke by not speaking which paved the way for Blu-Ray success.  True story.