Well said... even though 2018 is most likely whats going to happen. And the reason why ps4pro looks so ugly. They probably saved the stylish design for ps5 knowing that they'll release it soon (in 2018). ps4 was released to accomodate psvr and to compete with scorpio. So they kinda rushed it out, took the fastest manufacturing method which means foregoing with design. 

No, they will just release the "PS4 Pro S" for that :p

nah. let ps4 and ps4 and a probably pro+ live until 2020.
PS5 should be at other level. 10TF, 32 GB ram at minimum. The jumo should be the same as was PS3 to old PS4 (5* more processing, 4*memory)

I dunno what you're asking, you're not being very clear. Are u saying they should announce the PS5 in about a year's time? Seriously, is that what you're asking?

Scorpio isn't made to compete with ps5. Sony also only stands to lose consumers if they release too many different versions, and third parties aren't going to build 4 or 5 different versions of games for MS or Sony. The facts are MS are in a good position.

When "Scorpion comes out it will be four full years into this generation, and by that point arguments such as "gaining traction with hardcore gamers" is very insignificant. By that time the vast majority of hardcore gamers have already entered this generation, and it's only gonna be a part of them that will upgrade. Christmas 2017 and 2018 could be somewhat strong for Xbox, but typically in the last couple of years in a generation the majorit of consoles are sold to casuals, kids and people who lazily complement their console lineup for exclusives and the other platforms.

6 TFLOPs versus 4.2 TFLOPS four years into the generation will only have marginal effect.

But interesting about the PR talk. It's plausible that Mr House pulled a lie, and in fact Sony doesn't even know yet wether PS4 Pro will support PS5 games.

Was u one of those who was now gonna buy a XB Slim because PS4 Pro lacked the 4K Blurays?

In 2019 or 20, 7nm should be ready and PS5 will easily eclipse 10 tf IMO.

They're not in a better position, the Scorpio doesn't exist. When the Scorpio does exist, we can have this conversation.

Just a reality check for those that think a PS5 in 2019 is going to be truly next gen.

The first thing you have to know is that true leaps in console capability only come with shrinks to technology. You can get refinment and improved performance from the same tech over time, but nothing beats a shrink in the tech itself.

In this current generation we had the PS4 and the XBO launch with 28nm Planar APU's, and now we have PS4 Pro launching with a 14nm FinFET APU. The Pro also benefited from three refinments to the Gaphics Core Next (GCN) tech from AMD, which in hand with the shink in chip size gave it a decent boost, but nothing that is blowing people away.

Now, lets look at the power consumption of the PS4 vs the PS4 Pro. We don't have final actual use test, but we do know the OG PS4 launched with a 250W powersupply, and the PS4 Pro has a 310W power suppply. So the PS4 Pro has a small more energy effiecient chip, based on a more a GPU desing with higher effeciency per Watt, and it is still drawing enough power to require a 60W bigger power supply that the OG PS4.

Looking at the road map to future AMD tech you will see this kind of leap in fabrication size is not going to happen again. We skipped 20nm Planar which was what the original slim PS4 was supposed to be based on, and ended up all the way down on 14nm FinFET due to manufacting problems with that 20nm Planar process.

The next thing in line, and quite possibly where the XBO will be made is on 10nm FinFET and based on AMD Vega. This is the only way the will pull of 6TFLOPs and stay in the confinments of a console. Again, though, the difference between the Pro and Scorpio, will only be 30%. That means something like 1440p - 4k on the Pro and 1800p -4k on the scorpio.

Now if we look ahead to 2019, we see that the plan is for AMD to move to 7nm FinFET, and a GPU code named Navi. This GPU in itself will not be a massive improvement over the Pro and the Scorpio, but will see a decent boost due to being paired with "next gen memory" the revision after HBM2. This is what your so called PS5 would be based on, however, AMD only expects the leap between the PS4 Pro's Polaris GPU tech and the Navi GPU to be about as big as the jump from, PS4 to PS4 Pro.

So, basically, if PS5 comes out in 2019, the best we can expect from a console with a 300W power supply at $399.99 is about 10TFLOPs. That is enough to do a very clean 4K with new bells and whistles, but it will not fundamentaly change the way a game is made. These will still be the same game as you could get on the OG PS4 at 1080p. Perhapps, that will be enough for Sony, and the cadence for new conmsoles will be every three years, only time will tell. IF that is the case though, I fully expect major disapointment when PS5 is revealed, as most people will be let down, because theyare living on unrealistic expectations.

I think 2018 is viable if TSMC manages to keep their schedule for 10nm...but they are usualy late.

Actually, PS3 to PS4 jump is around 8x, if we go by FLOPS (which is silly given that one uses nVidia and other AMD, and how far apart those GPU gens are). but even if we go from 360 to PS4 (both AMD, and more capable GPU) it's around 8x (again going by FLOPS, which is silly). Sony themsleves said PS3 to PS4 is around 10x.

So, PS5 should be at least around 14TFLOPS for the samilar jump  (again in PS4 FLOPS). But there's also 1080p to 4K UHD jump, which is much bigger then 720p to 1080p, so even more is needed if native 4K is considered.