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KLXVER said:
setsunatenshi said:
multiplats? the neo and the scorpio will come out at around the same timeframe the nx will release increasing even further the gap to Nintendo while remaining on an x86 architecture. what exactly is pointing to any kind of multiplats? unless we're talking smaller games here than can run on phones, if so, then please carry on. adding to this, the neo is a half gen increase, by the time the ps5 will be out, the nx should be on its mid-life. there's 0% chance any relevant game will be working on both consoles

Well by that logic, the PS4 and XB1 wont get any of the Neo and Scorpio games either then...

The Massive difference is the XBox and PS consoles are all using x86 so porting games is absolutely no trouble, porting to a totally new architecture like the tegra in the NX is far harder.

 

Is Nintendo giving up on HomeConsoles, No they're not

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GhaudePhaede010 said:

A console who's primary/main design (technical, aesthetic, and functional) is to be played at home. Like Wii U, which nobody calls a hand held or hybrid, because the console's main function and design is to be played in the home.

As it looks (based on these rumors), NX is designed (technically, aesthetically, and functionally) to be a hand held. The NX looks, by all accounts, to be the continuation of the 3DS line.

I tried to explain it like this to the host of my show:

Me: Imagine everything about NX is true. Everything except that it has a shell that connects it to a television. What would you call it?

Him: Well, thats unfair because it does come with a shell that attaches it to a television.

Me: Just answer.

Him: A hand held.

Me: You brought up a good point about it coming with a shell. It is unfair of me to remove a key piece entirely to prove my point so what about this: Nintendo releases the console as I stated and then a year later they release the shell that attaches the console to the television. Is the console now a hybrid?

Him: No. It is a hand held; one that now has an attachment that connects to the television, but it is still a hand held.

Me: Exactly.

That is NX.

 

So the same would be true for the definition of a handheld, a system who's primary design is to be played on the go. The NX can function exactly like a home console, so it isn't anymore a handheld either unless you really want to believe Nintendo went through such great lengths for a non-primary feature. The whole gimmick of this thing is that it can be played at home and on the go. It's more than just a console, and it's more than just a handheld, that's why hybrid is the only correct term to call it. Also, nobody calls the Wii U a handheld or hybrid because you can't play it on the go.



Does OP even have to ask ? The answer is a big fat resounding yes if the rumors are anything to go by since Nintendo doesn't seem to care enough to give home premium experiences ...



Einsam_Delphin said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

A console who's primary/main design (technical, aesthetic, and functional) is to be played at home. Like Wii U, which nobody calls a hand held or hybrid, because the console's main function and design is to be played in the home.

As it looks (based on these rumors), NX is designed (technically, aesthetically, and functionally) to be a hand held. The NX looks, by all accounts, to be the continuation of the 3DS line.

I tried to explain it like this to the host of my show:

Me: Imagine everything about NX is true. Everything except that it has a shell that connects it to a television. What would you call it?

Him: Well, thats unfair because it does come with a shell that attaches it to a television.

Me: Just answer.

Him: A hand held.

Me: You brought up a good point about it coming with a shell. It is unfair of me to remove a key piece entirely to prove my point so what about this: Nintendo releases the console as I stated and then a year later they release the shell that attaches the console to the television. Is the console now a hybrid?

Him: No. It is a hand held; one that now has an attachment that connects to the television, but it is still a hand held.

Me: Exactly.

That is NX.

 

So the same would be true for the definition of a handheld, a system who's primary design is to be played on the go. The NX can function exactly like a home console, so it isn't anymore a handheld either unless you really want to believe Nintendo went through such great lengths for a non-primary feature. The whole gimmick of this thing is that it can be played at home and on the go. It's more than just a console, and it's more than just a handheld, that's why hybrid is the only correct term to call it. Also, nobody calls the Wii U a handheld or hybrid because you can't play it on the go.

Uhhh... unless I am missing something, this console does look like its main design (in the three areas I mentioned) is to be played on the go. It uses mobile technology (doesn't mobile literally mean, "on the go"?), it uses cartridges, and the shell seems to merely attach it to the television making it nothing more than a video out cable (if the rumors are true). If more functionality is announced, then I will obviously revise my position. But in terms of form, functionality, and design, it looks to be a hand held. They keep calling it a PORTABLE console. Until the word hybrid became hot button, if I called something a portable console, it would mean a hand held. I feel like what I am saying is a little beyond you because I have already presented both Wii U and my daughter's iphone as examples of devices that are not truly hybrids or hand helds. Even though you could make the argument they are. Wii U does have portability (although limited) like a hand held and the iphone can be attached to a television. They are not what they are.

How you decide to view the console is up to you. I told my host the same thing. But I know you read my example and you know I was correct. I have learned through this website and others that arguing this is meaningless. I was agreeing with someone that echoed my sentiments because that person seems to be coming to an understanding I already came to. I did not post this to create more tension.

As far as your assumptions about why Nintendo would develop a hand held with this kind of technology, this is the same company that developed a Wii remote, reimagined the dual screen hand held device, glasses free 3D, and gave us a tablet controller (which lends to inexpensive costs on a new console when you think about it) in the last decade. I am not here to explain Nintendo, just understand them.

I also want you to remember three things:

1) Hybrid does not mean home console. So many seem to use the term hybrid as a means to justify comparing this console exclusively to home consoles. It is unjust to compare a hybrid in this way. And by its definition, a hybrid is not a home console if you believe it to be a true hybrid (example a Liger is not a Lion or a Tiger and cannot be compared solely to one or the other).

2) I am only basing this off rumors. If anything changes about the console or new information comes out about the console in terms of form, function, and design, then I will adjust my position accordingly.

3) Someone else I argued with on here called Wii U a hybrid. I do not know what to make of this community anymore...



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We couldnt make lots of console games on handhelds.
In GBA they couldnt make 3D games, not even n64 games. but the DS can handle them.
In the DS they couldnt make games like monster hunter, smash bros, xenoblade, but 3DS can handle.
Now, a nex gen handheld can handle any game a nintendo console can handle. For the first time.

So, i dont think they are abandoning home consoles, just handhelds and consoles are the samething.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:

Uhhh... unless I am missing something, this console does look like its main design (in the three areas I mentioned) is to be played on the go. It uses mobile technology (doesn't mobile literally mean, "on the go"?), it uses cartridges, and the shell seems to merely attach it to the television making it nothing more than a video out cable (if the rumors are true). If more functionality is announced, then I will obviously revise my position. But in terms of form, functionality, and design, it looks to be a hand held. They keep calling it a PORTABLE console. Until the word hybrid became hot button, if I called something a portable console, it would mean a hand held. I feel like what I am saying is a little beyond you because I have already presented both Wii U and my daughter's iphone as examples of devices that are not truly hybrids or hand helds. Even though you could make the argument they are. Wii U does have portability (although limited) like a hand held and the iphone can be attached to a television. They are not what they are.

How you decide to view the console is up to you. I told my host the same thing. But I know you read my example and you know I was correct. I have learned through this website and others that arguing this is meaningless. I was agreeing with someone that echoed my sentiments because that person seems to be coming to an understanding I already came to. I did not post this to create more tension.

As far as your assumptions about why Nintendo would develop a hand held with this kind of technology, this is the same company that developed a Wii remote, reimagined the dual screen hand held device, glasses free 3D, and gave us a tablet controller (which lends to inexpensive costs on a new console when you think about it) in the last decade. I am not here to explain Nintendo, just understand them.

I also want you to remember three things:

1) Hybrid does not mean home console. So many seem to use the term hybrid as a means to justify comparing this console exclusively to home consoles. It is unjust to compare a hybrid in this way. And by its definition, a hybrid is not a home console if you believe it to be a true hybrid (example a Liger is not a Lion or a Tiger and cannot be compared solely to one or the other).

2) I am only basing this off rumors. If anything changes about the console or new information comes out about the console in terms of form, function, and design, then I will adjust my position accordingly.

3) Someone else I argued with on here called Wii U a hybrid. I do not know what to make of this community anymore...

 

Yes you are missing the fact that the NX would still function exactly like a home console. The Wii U does not function exactly like a handheld, and I doubt whatever phone you're talking about functions exactly like a home console, but if it does have seperate controllers and local multiplayer on a single system then yes that would count.

Exactly, motion controls were the Wii's focus, additional touchscreen was the focus for the DS, and now a system that can play on the go and at home is the NX's focus. They can't support two systems anymore let alone 2 HD ones so this is pretty much their only option. If you understand Nintendo then you should know that already.

I never said hybrid meant home console, only the opposite, and if you don't want to get into arguments and don't like this community, my advice is simply don't post!



Einsam_Delphin said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

Uhhh... unless I am missing something, this console does look like its main design (in the three areas I mentioned) is to be played on the go. It uses mobile technology (doesn't mobile literally mean, "on the go"?), it uses cartridges, and the shell seems to merely attach it to the television making it nothing more than a video out cable (if the rumors are true). If more functionality is announced, then I will obviously revise my position. But in terms of form, functionality, and design, it looks to be a hand held. They keep calling it a PORTABLE console. Until the word hybrid became hot button, if I called something a portable console, it would mean a hand held. I feel like what I am saying is a little beyond you because I have already presented both Wii U and my daughter's iphone as examples of devices that are not truly hybrids or hand helds. Even though you could make the argument they are. Wii U does have portability (although limited) like a hand held and the iphone can be attached to a television. They are not what they are.

How you decide to view the console is up to you. I told my host the same thing. But I know you read my example and you know I was correct. I have learned through this website and others that arguing this is meaningless. I was agreeing with someone that echoed my sentiments because that person seems to be coming to an understanding I already came to. I did not post this to create more tension.

As far as your assumptions about why Nintendo would develop a hand held with this kind of technology, this is the same company that developed a Wii remote, reimagined the dual screen hand held device, glasses free 3D, and gave us a tablet controller (which lends to inexpensive costs on a new console when you think about it) in the last decade. I am not here to explain Nintendo, just understand them.

I also want you to remember three things:

1) Hybrid does not mean home console. So many seem to use the term hybrid as a means to justify comparing this console exclusively to home consoles. It is unjust to compare a hybrid in this way. And by its definition, a hybrid is not a home console if you believe it to be a true hybrid (example a Liger is not a Lion or a Tiger and cannot be compared solely to one or the other).

2) I am only basing this off rumors. If anything changes about the console or new information comes out about the console in terms of form, function, and design, then I will adjust my position accordingly.

3) Someone else I argued with on here called Wii U a hybrid. I do not know what to make of this community anymore...

 

Yes you are missing the fact that the NX would still function exactly like a home console. The Wii U does not function exactly like a handheld, and I doubt whatever phone you're talking about functions exactly like a home console, but if it does have seperate controllers and local multiplayer on a single system then yes that would count.

Exactly, motion controls were the Wii's focus, additional touchscreen was the focus for the DS, and now a system that can play on the go and at home is the NX's focus. They can't support two systems anymore let alone 2 HD ones so this is pretty much their only option. If you understand Nintendo then you should know that already.

I never said home console meant hybrid, only the opposite, and if you don't want to get into arguments and don't like this community, my advice is simply don't post!

On your Wii U point, do not argue with me. Please find the guy that disagrees with you and argue with him. In his defense, a console does not have to function exactly like both. A Liger does not function exactly like a tiger or a lion. In order to be a hybrid, it has to have both. And Wii U does have both. Not that I agree, just being fair in his defense.

On your function point, that would literally only make one of the three required places. But, if that is true, that would make it more of a hybrid. I will not deny that. And that would be pretty freaking sweet! However, I stand by my example with my host. Because even with all of that, without a shell to connect it to a television, it would be a hand held. And if the shell were released later, it would be a hand held with a shell adapter. It would not be a home console, or a hybrid. One of the biggest question marks is if the shell is packaged in or not. If it is, people will see it as a hybrid (really a home console) but if not, people will see it as a hand held with an option. Not to mention there is still my argument that this console's main/primary function is as a hand held.  While looking into the controller argument, I see it says, "possibly" in relation to it connecting more controllers which is probably why I dismissed it. I can take a rumor but speculation on top of a rumor I tend to ignore. But if that is the case, I will consider revising my position.

You asked me a question you planned to answer? I do not even get that. I do not even know where you are going with this part of your conversation. I am not working for NIntendo (maybe you are?) nor am I in their budget so I have to take your word on this one??? Like, the hell are you talking about?

What does that even mean? I have no idea if you are even talking to me about the same things anymore... I want to say I agree with you but... I do not know if I do or not. Reading it again, I know we are not talking about the same thing. I said hybrid does not mean home console. You said home console does not equal hybrid; you mean the opposite. That means you mean what I think you should not mean. Then said you said what I said you should not say. I think that is what happened and it confused me. Are you as confused as I got?

And I did not say I dislike this community (seriously? Am I the only one reading this?). I feel like you just took this conversation in places it was never intended to go. What happened here?

Yeah...



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
 

On your Wii U point, do not argue with me. Please find the guy that disagrees with you and argue with him. In his defense, a console does not have to function exactly like both. A Liger does not function exactly like a tiger or a lion. In order to be a hybrid, it has to have both. And Wii U does have both. Not that I agree, just being fair in his defense.

On your function point, that would literally only make one of the three required places. But, if that is true, that would make it more of a hybrid. I will not deny that. And that would be pretty freaking sweet! However, I stand by my example with my host. Because even with all of that, without a shell to connect it to a television, it would be a hand held. And if the shell were released later, it would be a hand held with a shell adapter. It would not be a home console, or a hybrid. One of the biggest question marks is if the shell is packaged in or not. If it is, people will see it as a hybrid (really a home console) but if not, people will see it as a hand held with an option. Not to mention there is still my argument that this console's main/primary function is as a hand held.  While looking into the controller argument, I see it says, "possibly" in relation to it connecting more controllers which is probably why I dismissed it. I can take a rumor but speculation on top of a rumor I tend to ignore. But if that is the case, I will consider revising my position.

You asked me a question you planned to answer? I do not even get that. I do not even know where you are going with this part of your conversation. I am not working for NIntendo (maybe you are?) nor am I in their budget so I have to take your word on this one??? Like, the hell are you talking about?

What does that even mean? I have no idea if you are even talking to me about the same things anymore... I want to say I agree with you but... I do not know if I do or not. Reading it again, I know we are not talking about the same thing. I said hybrid does not mean home console. You said home console does not equal hybrid; you mean the opposite. That means you mean what I think you should not mean. Then said you said what I said you should not say. I think that is what happened and it confused me. Are you as confused as I got?

And I did not say I dislike this community (seriously? Am I the only one reading this?). I feel like you just took this conversation in places it was never intended to go. What happened here?

Yeah...

 

You want me to stop arguing that point, but then you continue arguing it. Not a good plan! The Wii U has to be tethered to a wall, a handheld does not, that simple really.

The rumor says it has a docking station and detachable controllers, the latter of which serving little purpose for handheld gaming, so that screams hybrid to me, but yes we'll need to see it to be 100% certain.

I'm talking about what I just said. Nintendo is unable to support two systems, the 3DS and Wii U are proof of that, so the obvious solution is to merge them. That's the whole point of the NX being a hybrid, all their developers making games for one system instead of two. All of Nintendo's actions have been hinting at this, from Smash going multiplat, the merging of their handheld and home console development teams, the lack of 8th gen software support lately, and that Nintendo pretty much straight up said NX will replace both Wii U and 3DS. The hybrid is their primary focus.

Maybe stop rambling the same thing over and over making your post unnecessarily long and think? Since I never said hybrid = console, you didn't need to tell me that hybrid =/= home console, which is true because hybrid means it's more than just a home console, it's also more than just a handheld, that I've said before.

You're the one who brought up the community for no reason, saying you don't know what to make of it, I'd think it should be pretty obvious what people are gonna take that comment to imply.



Einsam_Delphin said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

On your Wii U point, do not argue with me. Please find the guy that disagrees with you and argue with him. In his defense, a console does not have to function exactly like both. A Liger does not function exactly like a tiger or a lion. In order to be a hybrid, it has to have both. And Wii U does have both. Not that I agree, just being fair in his defense.

On your function point, that would literally only make one of the three required places. But, if that is true, that would make it more of a hybrid. I will not deny that. And that would be pretty freaking sweet! However, I stand by my example with my host. Because even with all of that, without a shell to connect it to a television, it would be a hand held. And if the shell were released later, it would be a hand held with a shell adapter. It would not be a home console, or a hybrid. One of the biggest question marks is if the shell is packaged in or not. If it is, people will see it as a hybrid (really a home console) but if not, people will see it as a hand held with an option. Not to mention there is still my argument that this console's main/primary function is as a hand held.  While looking into the controller argument, I see it says, "possibly" in relation to it connecting more controllers which is probably why I dismissed it. I can take a rumor but speculation on top of a rumor I tend to ignore. But if that is the case, I will consider revising my position.

You asked me a question you planned to answer? I do not even get that. I do not even know where you are going with this part of your conversation. I am not working for NIntendo (maybe you are?) nor am I in their budget so I have to take your word on this one??? Like, the hell are you talking about?

What does that even mean? I have no idea if you are even talking to me about the same things anymore... I want to say I agree with you but... I do not know if I do or not. Reading it again, I know we are not talking about the same thing. I said hybrid does not mean home console. You said home console does not equal hybrid; you mean the opposite. That means you mean what I think you should not mean. Then said you said what I said you should not say. I think that is what happened and it confused me. Are you as confused as I got?

And I did not say I dislike this community (seriously? Am I the only one reading this?). I feel like you just took this conversation in places it was never intended to go. What happened here?

Yeah...

 

You want me to stop arguing that point, but then you continue arguing it. Not a good plan! The Wii U has to be tethered to a wall, a handheld does not, that simple really.

The rumor says it has a docking station and detachable controllers, the latter of which serving little purpose for handheld gaming, so that screams hybrid to me, but yes we'll need to see it to be 100% certain.

I'm talking about what I just said. Nintendo is unable to support two systems, the 3DS and Wii U are proof of that, so the obvious solution is to merge them. That's the whole point of the NX being a hybrid, all their developers making games for one system instead of two. All of Nintendo's actions have been hinting at this, from Smash going multiplat, the merging of their handheld and home console development teams, the lack of 8th gen software support lately, and that Nintendo pretty much straight up said NX will replace both Wii U and 3DS. The hybrid is their primary focus.

Maybe stop rambling the same thing over and over making your post unnecessarily long and think? Since I never said hybrid = console, you didn't need to tell me that hybrid =/= home console, which is true because hybrid means it's more than just a home console, it's also more than just a handheld, that I've said before.

You're the one who brought up the community for no reason, saying you don't know what to make of it, I'd think it should be pretty obvious what people are gonna take that comment to imply.

I will start with your last point first and go up: I brought up another member of the community because it was relevent to the argument of Wii U being a hybrid or not. I would like if there was consistency in the community (not everyone must feel the same way but if there is not a general consensus, then what am I to make of the community? One minute we all agree Wii U is just a home console, the next it is a hybrid...). That you would say I said stuff I never said is not my fault at all. You have to own that mistake. Not liking to argue is not so bad. As I said, my initial post was to someone that seemed to be heading towards my line of thinking. It was not even to you so... yeah.

I do not know what that means. I know what you did not say, it is what you did say that confused me. You started off like you were agreeing with me, but you were really saying the direct opposite of what I was saying. It was confusing. You should reread what you... no lets not. We should move on.

I said I am not in Nintendo's budget to know these things. I am glad you are here fresh out of Nintendo's fianicial department to let me know that. I ain't buying shit you said, however.

I read the rumor. The part about multiplayer said, "possibly" so I kind of dismissed it. If it has just one controller, that is no differnt than the tablet my girlfriend has. Which is a hand held, for sure. She has an ipad 3 and we bought her a bluetooth controller. As I said, if that is true, that would be dope. Dope as hell.

I did not tell you to stop. I recommended you argue it with the person that believes basically the same thing as you except he thinks Wii U is a hybrid. I do not think it is. Then again, nothing you said disputes his point just like nothing I said could dispute his point either. I guess he is correct.



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I am interested in seeing it.  If it is as rumored and I buy it I'd use it connected to tv more than not.



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