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sethnintendo said:
leo-j said:
No, the 3ds will not outsell the Ds, and it has been dropping hard in sales year after year despite the release of the new 3ds...... They cannot compete with the mobile space....

I'm just wondering why you typed those two sentences in a thread about NX graphics power.  I'd like to know who the hell has been saying the 3DS would outsell the DS around here?  Because to my knowledge that would be a very small percentage of people that ever thought that after the decently rocky 3DS launch.

Not to further derail but back then when Pokemon X and Y were coming up I got thrown into the fire for saying the 3DS would not achieve DS numbers.



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Nem said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

If I have to explain to you why bundling Kinect was a bad idea... then it makes perfect sense why you think your idea is a good one. Just trust me, save us both the reading and understand that is a horrible idea.

You are making alot of leaps here. I didn't sugest anything, you have me confused with the other guy. I poked a hole in your logic.

If bundling things people don't want didn't work for MS, why would it work for Nintendo when it's just inflating the price?

If you believe in what you just said...

I guess you are correct. I thought you were the first guy. But since I mistook you, for the other guy, I will indulge you as a consequence.

Bundling Kinect, a product most did not want which raised the price of the base unit was obviously a terrible idea.

Bundling what is considered an essential selling point of this new console, while keeping the price down and giving everyone the same starting and end point sounds like a brilliant idea by comparison. If you do not understand that, please stay the fuck out of business. This shit is not rocket science. Would they sell the tablet without the controller next? Catering to the lowest common denominator when introducing a radical idea is essential to proper growth and development. This is about as laymen as I can explain it. One was an extra, unwanted feature and the other is an essential and clearly desired feature. This is a no brainer.



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Soundwave said:
Pemalite said:

Notice how many more sprites are being used instead of fully 3D assets?

And you do know that the 3DS is also far from Nintendo's best selling hendheld, right?

Fact is portable has been far friendlier pastures for Nintendo. A portable NX at least should sell 50-60 million units if they handle it correctly. 

A traditional NX console? Would probably finish 4th or 5th out of all the consoles this generation cycle and sell GameCube numbers if they're lucky. The PS4 already has a 40 million unit headstart, even the PS4 Neo will have a headstart, that's even a worse (far worse) position than the GameCube started at. 

If you play basketball and football, but you're 5x better at basketball, there's no shame in simply focusing on basketball, it's probably smart actually. 

That's all personal opinion of course.
I do agree, that Mobile has been Nintendo's strength historically, but it's loosing that to Android and iOS, that's Nintendo's competition today for mobile... An uphill battle without a paddle.

The Nintendo NX could even fail harder than the Wii U, you simply don't know untill the devices have launched.

Nintendo launching in the middle of the generation simply means they will be overshadowed by next generation hardware that much sooner.
Nintendo will need to fight out the news cycles against Scorpio and Neo as it is... Doesn't help when they have pretty much destroyed their free advertising on Youtube either. :P

I won't be buying the NX if all the rumors of Tegra are true, if Nintendo can't give me what I wan't again, then I'll buy something else, it's that simple. - It will likely be Scorpio or Neo, heck might even be both at this stage.

Slimebeast said:
Amazing news, and I hope Soundwaves analisis is true.

Between PS3 and PS4 level of graphics is amazing.

And if it really has the brand new Tegra 2 chip and costs only $250, that's simply incredible and would be a huge success.

Day one. Can't wait.

There are two kinds of people...

People like me who thinks the PS4 level's of graphics is poor...

And this guy who thinks everything is amazing. :P



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leo-j said:
No, the 3ds will not outsell the Ds

Really?

No shit Sherlock



 

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JustBeingReal said:

Soundwave said:

Disney can't even sell Disney Infinity anymore and are bailing out of the console market entirely. Sony themselves have said they wish more colorful games would be viable in the market ... but the fact is they're not. 

If Sony didn't think colorful games weren't viable then they wouldn't have spent a tonne of cash on Horizon, wouldn't have bothered having Japan Studio make Knack, The Last Guardian, port Gravity Rush overto PS4 and make a sequel, get Media Molecule to develop Tearaway Unfolded and Dreams for PS4, the list really does go on and on for colorful games coming to PS4.

The fact is actually colorful games are most definitely viable for the console market.

Disney Infinity is one example of a failure of that kind of thing, but Lego games and Skylanders are still doing well, so really that makes your point moot.

The home console especially with the advent of HDTV has become more and more specialized on violent action shooters and sports sims and nothing but. Look at the NPD every month it's basically just that same thing every month and Minecraft and that's it. 

No they haven't, they have those games and they sell well, but they're certainly not what consoles were only made for, I've given a load of examples of games that have sold really well, well over a million per release, in the case of The Witcher 3 it's done incredibly well and beyond that.

Actually what you'll find is that it's the stories or the social aspect of the popular games that make them sell really well, hell even GTA has a lot of depth to it and funnily enough it's also a very colorful game.

But look at mobile and 3DS ... there are plenty of colorful/cartoony games that enjoy *blockbuster* success. Candy Crush, Angry Birds, Pokemon Go, Fruit Ninja, Clash of Clans, etc. etc. on mobile, Mario/Kirby/Pokemon/Yoshi/Mario Kart on Nintendo 3DS. 

The games you're talking about are mindless experiences, they're collectathons or games that you can use to cloud watch, not deep experiences, so you're saying that this is what Nintendo should emulate or that will be the market Nintendo should target their franchises at, not a good idea for gamers.

It's just the market changing, people simply do not want to play colorful/cartoony games on the big HDTV, that's for realistic violent shooters and NBA/Madden/FIFA/Forza/GT time, that's the long term impact of Sony/MS consoles IMO. The vibrant/diverse console industry of Nintendo/Sega is sadly gone. Even Crash Bandicoot is gone, now replaced by things like Uncharted (which is "lighthearted") and Last of Us. Microsoft keeps Banjo-Kazooie on ice. 

Actually the market wants a wide breadth of experiences, that's why Ubisoft developed Steep, why Sony commissioned Guerrilla Games to work on Horizon (they moved them away from Killzone, when they could have made them develop another Killzone).

Ratchet is still a thing and Insomniac are also making the exclusive Spiderman game for PS4, which is very colorful.

Looking at Sony's line-up it's certainly not all shooters and sports games like you're insinuating.

Part of the reason Sony have done so well is the diversity of their line-up, they hit that out of the park.

Console market has changed, Nintendo will be better off with this approach (a portable console), they can do very well on the portable scene as long as they learn to work WITH Android/iOS rather than trying to fight them. Portable gamers not only accept cartoony games with open arms, cartoony games dominate both mobile and dedicated portable. 

 

The console market is all about diversity of gaming options and this is more true now then ever before, with the variety of AAA and indie options.

Nintendo's best bet is to try and open up their developers to making games that cater to the 3rd party console market, then focusing their marketing campaign for NX on how people can play these games anywhere they want on their NX device, turning NX into a device among many within the enormous Android/iOS sea of devices isn't the way to go, they won't stand out.

Being the dedicated gaming platform that allows gamers to play solid experiences, the kind of experiences they wouldn't be able to take with them when they leave the house if they had another console or if they want secondary system to offer them true portability for those kinds of experiences, then they can have that in NX.

People already have Android Tablets and iPads for the kind of things you're talking about.

You're wrong about the console market being focused on the kinds of games you singled out, it just isn't that way in the real world or even within the bubble of this forum.

See reply in bold.

Look at the NPD chart every month, where are the family games every month? *crickets*. How many family games are even available on the XB1 or PS4? 

People already have a Playstation 4 for the games you want, so buy a Playstation 4. Like what's the problem?

Nintendo is never going to fill that role, they are not that type of company and never will be. They make their style of games and their style of games are not what's selling home consoles anymore. It sucks but it is what it is, Nintendo is better off focusing on a market that is far more friendly to their style of gaming.

"Cater to the 3rd party market" basically means make violent Western action games. And that's never, ever, ever going to be Nintendo's M.O., nor does it need to be since 103939048309438 other companies already serve that role. 

There's already *four* (4!!!!) consoles that are trying to cater to this same market in a year's time. No one is asking for five but a very small niche group of people, Nintendo would have no chance. The direction of the NX even if it pisses off people who want basically the same thing x5 is IMO smart. They have no chance against 4 other consoles relying predominantly on family friend franchises. Maybe if it was 1995, but that it ain't. 

Focus your resources on the more Nintendo friendly portable market, if you can sell 50-60 million NXes and reap monster profits on mobile games ... that's more than fine for Nintendo. 



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Sorry, I was responding to someone who said the 3ds is going o outsell every Nintendo console( it won't top Wii).

Also, cartooy games don't sell on HD consoles? What? Uncharted 4 is pretty, ratchet is pretty, journey(a monster success) is cartoony, heck even overwatch is pretty



 

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Nem said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

If I have to explain to you why bundling Kinect was a bad idea... then it makes perfect sense why you think your idea is a good one. Just trust me, save us both the reading and understand that is a horrible idea.

You are making alot of leaps here. I didn't sugest anything, you have me confused with the other guy. I poked a hole in your logic.

If bundling things people don't want didn't work for MS, why would it work for Nintendo when it's just inflating the price?

If you believe in what you just said...

I guess you are correct. I thought you were the first guy. But since I mistook you, for the other guy, I will indulge you as a consequence.

Bundling Kinect, a product most did not want which raised the price of the base unit was obviously a terrible idea.

Bundling what is considered an essential selling point of this new console, while keeping the price down and giving everyone the same starting and end point sounds like a brilliant idea by comparison. If you do not understand that, please stay the fuck out of business. This shit is not rocket science. Would they sell the tablet without the controller next? Catering to the lowest common denominator when introducing a radical idea is essential to proper growth and development. This is about as laymen as I can explain it. One was an extra, unwanted feature and the other is an essential and desired feature. This is a no brainer.



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leo-j said:
Sorry, I was responding to someone who said the 3ds is going o outsell every Nintendo console( it won't top Wii).

Also, cartooy games don't sell on HD consoles? What? Uncharted 4 is pretty, ratchet is pretty, journey(a monster success) is cartoony, heck even overwatch is pretty

I did specifically say 3DS will outsell every Nintendo console with the exception of the Wii. 

Uncharted is a "cartoony" game now? The only one there that's a family game is Ratchet. Overwatch is a shooter aimed at teenagers/adults. 



Pemalite said:
Soundwave said:

Fact is portable has been far friendlier pastures for Nintendo. A portable NX at least should sell 50-60 million units if they handle it correctly. 

A traditional NX console? Would probably finish 4th or 5th out of all the consoles this generation cycle and sell GameCube numbers if they're lucky. The PS4 already has a 40 million unit headstart, even the PS4 Neo will have a headstart, that's even a worse (far worse) position than the GameCube started at. 

If you play basketball and football, but you're 5x better at basketball, there's no shame in simply focusing on basketball, it's probably smart actually. 

That's all personal opinion of course.
I do agree, that Mobile has been Nintendo's strength historically, but it's loosing that to Android and iOS, that's Nintendo's competition today for mobile... An uphill battle without a paddle.

The Nintendo NX could even fail harder than the Wii U, you simply don't know untill the devices have launched.

Nintendo launching in the middle of the generation simply means they will be overshadowed by next generation hardware that much sooner.
Nintendo will need to fight out the news cycles against Scorpio and Neo as it is... Doesn't help when they have pretty much destroyed their free advertising on Youtube either. :P

I won't be buying the NX if all the rumors of Tegra are true, if Nintendo can't give me what I wan't again, then I'll buy something else, it's that simple. - It will likely be Scorpio or Neo, heck might even be both at this stage.

Slimebeast said:
Amazing news, and I hope Soundwaves analisis is true.

Between PS3 and PS4 level of graphics is amazing.

And if it really has the brand new Tegra 2 chip and costs only $250, that's simply incredible and would be a huge success.

Day one. Can't wait.

There are two kinds of people...

People like me who thinks the PS4 level's of graphics is poor...

And this guy who thinks everything is amazing. :P

There does seem to be two types of people here:

People that understand this is a hand held and not a dedicated home console.

And people like you that seem to think this is a home console.  :P

At least you had some part of this correct. I understand you may not want this as a home console, but if what is out there is truth, then as a hand held, this thing might work. If you are not into hand held gaming, then this console will most likely not appeal to you. But I can tell by the context of your post that you seem to think this is a home console and if it were, it would be severely underpowered. But as a hand held, it is most definitely a leap forward in technology.



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Interesting. Being as powerful as a PS3 while only needing to fill a few inches of the screen. There's also the ability to upgrade past what the PS4 can currently do, right?

Might become my first Nintendo console.