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Number one reason I'm not voting for Trump

He is too orange 60 14.63%
 
He is a narcissist 29 7.07%
 
He tweets too damn much 6 1.46%
 
He is a con 30 7.32%
 
He doesn't know shit about foreign politics 88 21.46%
 
He only gets four hours of sleep 1 0.24%
 
He has small hands 39 9.51%
 
He rambles too much 3 0.73%
 
His plans are terrible 106 25.85%
 
other 48 11.71%
 
Total:410
Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

And Bernie was denied many independent votes in several states. Running for a Democrat is almost the only chopice he had to remain relevant, but his supporters were prevented from voting on such a massive scale that there's no way to tell if 4 million gap wouldn't have been closed or not. It would have been a much closer race.

That aside, there was also the DNC bias towards Hillary and against Bernie that should honestly call for a bit of speculation on any and all numbers released by the DNC. 4 million could have very well been half that now that we know the leaders have absolutely zero integrity.

Again this is bullshit, he didn't get the votes. Period. End of story. 

There's nothing worse than a sore loser. 

If Hilary could manipulate votes like that here's a genius theory ... why didn't she do it in 2008?

That was much, much closer, she lost to Obama by basically a hair. This contest? Wasn't even close. Even if she somehow manipulated "half" that, she still wins by like 2 million. 

Winning is winning. You don't give the guy who came in second at the Olympics a gold too because he was only a second behind. 

She lost in 2008 and won in 2016 ... fair is fair. Quite frankly good on her for sticking with it, that loss in 2008 would've crushed many people. 

Shows character to pick yourself up and after that, dust yourself off, and try again. 

No,if she had character, then there wouldn't be an issue with her being the presidential candidate.

 

Instead we have a person who won due to tricky rules not allowing the large bulk of supporters for the opposing candidate vote (which you keep discounting like it's not a big thing, when it it really is a pretty big deal that they couldn't vote). We have a presidential elect who has already been confirmed guilty of a fairly serious crime (despite the actual ramifications being next to nothing that we're aware of), yet isn't being charged because  ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

We've got someone who is being voted for because she's perceived as the lesser of two evils. And dude? That's fucking disgusting. We're looking forward to a pretty fucking shitty 4-8 years right now because the DNC tried their damndest to sabotage one of their candidates, and you're sitting here defending it. Opinions like yours are absolutely cancerous to the election process, because you're so concerned with picking the lesser of two evils that you never stop to think "Why don't we just pick a good one?"



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SpokenTruth said:
GodOfPeace3 said:
I'm more worried about Hillary becoming president than I am Trump. Just read all those e-mail leaks, they've already fired 4 people at the DNC for the things they said in e-mails. Hillary rigged the DNC elections to screw over Bernie Sanders and there's proof of it in those leaked e-mails. Hillary is the anti-christ. Trump is just an idiot.

Consider the implications of either as president to America and the rest of the world.

Did Hillary lie and is she a criminal?  Almost assuredly so.  But how does that damage the US and the rest of the world?  

We either put a criminal in the White House or someone that will damage social and foreign relations for decades.   We aren't voting on who deserves to be elected.  We are voting on the best interests of the people...all people.  And one of them will casue far more damage than the other.

Cleaning up an economic mess is whole lot easier than cleaning up a nuclear mess.

There are many posts that I should reply to, but I really don't need to. "Trump = nuclear war". You have no arguments. If you honestly believe voting Trump means electing a dictator, crushing the entire political force of both sides and the voice of the people, then you're insane.

Have people ALREADY forgotten all the things Obama was denied? President =/= Dictator. Its not that difficult to understand. The president gets shut down all the time. Especially if he wanted to use fucking nukes.


"I'm going to have to assume you don't read or listen to any of his detractors at all."

Are you kidding me? NO ONE is on Trump's side. I never hear anyone support him in public. "isnt that proof alone?" Fuck no. Who donates the most money to Hillary? Fucking media giants! Guess who they'll support! Even my local newspaper, here in tiny Sweden, slanders Trump. You have to shout loud and clear that you hate Trump, because otherwise someone might think that you actually DON'T hate him! And that would be tragic, right? So, how do they slander him? By calling him a bigot, a misogynist, a racist, a dumb idiot(yes, literally "Dumb idiot") and so on. Based on what? Absolutely fucking NOTHING. I've read so much about Trump and I don't even care about him.
You do the same thing that they do. "I don't have to explain, its so obvious that he's EVIL". No, its not obvious at all. What did he do, and what are you comparing him to? Certainly not other politicians, thats for sure. Trump said some mean words? Who cares. Trump flipflopped on issue x? Oh woe is me, no politican has ever done that. Remember how both Obama and Hillary took a strong stance AGAINST gay marriage, back in the days? Every rally, every political speech (regardless of the speaker) is tailored to an audience. Its designed to convince voters. Is this news to you? Politicans lie to get your votes. Look at what they DO, read their policies, see what they accomplish.

 

"Did Hillary lie and is she a criminal?  Almost assuredly so.  But how does that damage the US and the rest of the world?" Really? Reeeaaalllyyyy?
*siiiiiiiiigh*
Yes, your options are limited. Yes, they both suck. But how about you argue facts, instead of slander? Calling her a criminal is, well, technically false, because she got away with her disgusting, criminal behaviour. But we can still talk about that behaviour, and how it absolutely can affect the US and the world. Calling Trump a warmongering nukethrowing misogynist, or any other nice -ist word, is slander. Pointing out that Hillary tried to make Bill's rape victims disappear, well. Please point it out, since no one even cares. How are people so eager to forgive Hillary for anything and everything, just because Trump *for some reason* is the devil incarnate? I really don't understand it. Are some of Trumps plans garbage? (Is Hillary a divine Goddess? Spoiler alert, NO) Critize those plans. Let him know that those plans are bad, and why they're bad. Remember that he has a team behind him to realize those plans. Look at what those plans actually entail, and not just what he said once in a loud speech. Trump knows nothing about foregin politics? Ridiculous, is what I'd answer. But still, he's not a dictator, he will have tons of advisors and experts around him all the time, just like any other president. Those emails where Hillary talks about starting war in foreign countries, those are real. She might know a lot about forerign politics, that doesn't mean she'll do good things.

SethNintendo said this: "I am not the all wise knowing of economics but the things he says about economics makes it sound like he studied from the voodoo economics playbook."
Good thing then that no president in the history of all presidents ever, had to know EVERYTHING, and had to take EVERY SINGLE DECISION on their own. I'm just assuming you're right here, but I'm no expert on economy either. Regardless, I'm not jealous of your situation. Hillary basically embodies the establishment, I don't trust her with economics either.

Please, vote whatever you want. Like I said, I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just so god damn tired of all the shit thrown at Trump for no reason other than its the hip new thing to hate on Trump. He might very well be a terrible President, I don't know. The thing is, you don't know either. Base your arguments on facts, not on emotions.



Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

Again this is bullshit, he didn't get the votes. Period. End of story. 

There's nothing worse than a sore loser. 

If Hilary could manipulate votes like that here's a genius theory ... why didn't she do it in 2008?

That was much, much closer, she lost to Obama by basically a hair. This contest? Wasn't even close. Even if she somehow manipulated "half" that, she still wins by like 2 million. 

Winning is winning. You don't give the guy who came in second at the Olympics a gold too because he was only a second behind. 

She lost in 2008 and won in 2016 ... fair is fair. Quite frankly good on her for sticking with it, that loss in 2008 would've crushed many people. 

Shows character to pick yourself up and after that, dust yourself off, and try again. 

No,if she had character, then there wouldn't be an issue with her being the presidential candidate.

 

Instead we have a person who won due to tricky rules not allowing the large bulk of supporters for the opposing candidate vote (which you keep discounting like it's not a big thing, when it it really is a pretty big deal that they couldn't vote). We have a presidential elect who has already been confirmed guilty of a fairly serious crime (despite the actual ramifications being next to nothing that we're aware of), yet isn't being charged because  ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

We've got someone who is being voted for because she's perceived as the lesser of two evils. And dude? That's fucking disgusting. We're looking forward to a pretty fucking shitty 4-8 years right now because the DNC tried their damndest to sabotage one of their candidates, and you're sitting here defending it. Opinions like yours are absolutely cancerous to the election process, because you're so concerned with picking the lesser of two evils that you never stop to think "Why don't we just pick a good one?"

She had more votes than Bernie Sanders. That's the bottom line. A lot more at that. 

Bernie Sanders supporters should more maganimous in defeat, Hilary supporters had every reason to act like sore losers after 2008, they didn't. They swallowed their pride and got behind candidate Obama. Take the loss, character is revealed in people not when they win but how they conduct themselves in a loss. 

I don't see Hilary Clinton as evil to begin with, that's part of a smear campaign against her because she's not a charismastic candidate. She has a shrill voice. 

But being a 67 year old woman who isn't the most savvy person on setting up an email server doesn't make you "evil". It's hilarious that Trump can do 20954949 different gaffes and still be seen as "about par" with Clinton who's never been shown to intentionally hurt someone and her big scandal is that she was careless with an email server. It's a laughable double standard actually. 

Republicans throw shade at the Clintons because they are scared shit less of the Clintons, they tried to impeach him and thought for sure the American people would side with them because he got a blow job (oh noes!) but instead Clinton's job approval rating went even higher. They can't stand the Clintons because despite all their huffing and puffing about balancing the budget, Clinton is the only one who's ever actually done it. So they've been bracing for a Hilary Clinton presidential run for 20 years. 

And the best they got on her is a bunch of fucking emails, the overwhelming majority of which weren't even classified at the time. On the other end of the aisle you have a candidate retweeted Neo-Nazis and openly petitions Russia to hack US servers and tells other countries to go get nuclear weapons. Like what the fuck is the perspective here even? These are supposed to be equivalent? Because they're not even close. 



Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

No,if she had character, then there wouldn't be an issue with her being the presidential candidate.

 

Instead we have a person who won due to tricky rules not allowing the large bulk of supporters for the opposing candidate vote (which you keep discounting like it's not a big thing, when it it really is a pretty big deal that they couldn't vote). We have a presidential elect who has already been confirmed guilty of a fairly serious crime (despite the actual ramifications being next to nothing that we're aware of), yet isn't being charged because  ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

We've got someone who is being voted for because she's perceived as the lesser of two evils. And dude? That's fucking disgusting. We're looking forward to a pretty fucking shitty 4-8 years right now because the DNC tried their damndest to sabotage one of their candidates, and you're sitting here defending it. Opinions like yours are absolutely cancerous to the election process, because you're so concerned with picking the lesser of two evils that you never stop to think "Why don't we just pick a good one?"

She had more votes than Bernie Sanders. That's the bottom line. A lot more at that. 

Bernie Sanders supporters should more maganimous in defeat, Hilary supporters had every reason to act like sore losers after 2008, they didn't. They swallowed their pride and got behind candidate Obama. Take the loss, character is revealed in people not when they win but how they conduct themselves in a loss. 

I don't see Hilary Clinton as evil to begin with, that's part of a smear campaign against her because she's not a charismastic candidate. She has a shrill voice. 

But being a 67 year old woman who isn't the most savvy person on setting up an email server doesn't make you "evil". It's hilarious that Trump can do 20954949 different gaffes and still be seen as "about par" with Clinton who's never been shown to intentionally hurt someone and her big scandal is that she was careless with an email server. It's a laughable double standard actually. 

Republicans throw shade at the Clintons because they are scared shit less of the Clintons, they tried to impeach him and thought for sure the American people would side with them because he got a blow job (oh noes!) but instead Clinton's job approval rating went even higher. They can't stand the Clintons because despite all their huffing and puffing about balancing the budget, Clinton is the only one who's ever actually done it. So they've been bracing for a Hilary Clinton presidential run for 20 years. 

And the best they got on her is a bunch of fucking emails, the overwhelming majority of which weren't even classified. On the other end of the aisle you have a candidate retweeted Neo-Nazis. Like what the fuck is the perspective here even. These are supposed to be equivalent? Because they're not even close. 

Stopped reading at the first statement because you don't seem to be comprehending anything. Enjoy dancing for the DNC.



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Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

She had more votes than Bernie Sanders. That's the bottom line. A lot more at that. 

Bernie Sanders supporters should more maganimous in defeat, Hilary supporters had every reason to act like sore losers after 2008, they didn't. They swallowed their pride and got behind candidate Obama. Take the loss, character is revealed in people not when they win but how they conduct themselves in a loss. 

I don't see Hilary Clinton as evil to begin with, that's part of a smear campaign against her because she's not a charismastic candidate. She has a shrill voice. 

But being a 67 year old woman who isn't the most savvy person on setting up an email server doesn't make you "evil". It's hilarious that Trump can do 20954949 different gaffes and still be seen as "about par" with Clinton who's never been shown to intentionally hurt someone and her big scandal is that she was careless with an email server. It's a laughable double standard actually. 

Republicans throw shade at the Clintons because they are scared shit less of the Clintons, they tried to impeach him and thought for sure the American people would side with them because he got a blow job (oh noes!) but instead Clinton's job approval rating went even higher. They can't stand the Clintons because despite all their huffing and puffing about balancing the budget, Clinton is the only one who's ever actually done it. So they've been bracing for a Hilary Clinton presidential run for 20 years. 

And the best they got on her is a bunch of fucking emails, the overwhelming majority of which weren't even classified. On the other end of the aisle you have a candidate retweeted Neo-Nazis. Like what the fuck is the perspective here even. These are supposed to be equivalent? Because they're not even close. 

Stopped reading at the first statement because you don't seem to be comprehending anything. Enjoy dancing for the DNC.

Like I said character is revealed in how people handle a loss. It says a lot when someone behaves like a baby when they lose. 

I'm fine with the DNC. If Bernie Sanders had 4 million votes I would have zero problem supporting him and I would tell Clinton supporters who were whining about losing the exact same thing. 

You still haven't logically explained why if Clinton has the power to "rig" votes (to the tune of 4 million votes, lol), why she didn't throw herself an extra 500,000 votes in 2008, probably would've been enough then to beat Obama. 

Fact is Bernie didn't run a campaign as good as Obama did in 2008. He didn't get as much support. And Hilary, like her or not, is a tough cookie to beat, Obama who routed two Republican challengers and would wipe the floor with Trump head to head, beat Hilary by the narrowest of margins. 



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Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

Stopped reading at the first statement because you don't seem to be comprehending anything. Enjoy dancing for the DNC.

Like I said character is revealed in how people handle a loss. It says a lot when someone behaves like a baby when they lose. 

I'm fine with the DNC. If Bernie Sanders have 4 million votes I would have zero problem supporting him and I would tell Clinton supporters who were whining about losing the exact same thing. 

"Bernie lost without all of his votes, that's a fair election" said only you, and you were wrong. Bye now.



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Soundwave said:

Again this is bullshit, he didn't get the votes. Period. End of story. 

There's nothing worse than a sore loser. 

If Hilary could manipulate votes like that here's a genius theory ... why didn't she do it in 2008?

That was much, much closer, she lost to Obama by basically a hair. This contest? Wasn't even close. Even if she somehow manipulated "half" that, she still wins by like 2 million. 

Winning is winning. You don't give the guy who came in second at the Olympics a gold too because he was only a second behind. 

She lost in 2008 and won in 2016 ... fair is fair. Quite frankly good on her for sticking with it, that loss in 2008 would've crushed many people. 

Shows character to pick yourself up and after that, dust yourself off, and try again. 

So you excuse the DNC for undermining democracy ?

At this point I have no doubt that Clinton supporters do not have higher standards than any other supporters of their respective candidates when they think it's okay for an election to be rigged along with instilling power to an individual who's PROVEN to be corrupt ... 

God help us all when she gets elected cause that just signals that it's perfectly fine for the government to poison the democratic process and that we don't even fucking deserve to have a democracy and instead let the parties assign their damn puppets so heck the DNC may as well just aim for an equivalent of a North korean dictator for the so called "next" election ...



Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

Like I said character is revealed in how people handle a loss. It says a lot when someone behaves like a baby when they lose. 

I'm fine with the DNC. If Bernie Sanders have 4 million votes I would have zero problem supporting him and I would tell Clinton supporters who were whining about losing the exact same thing. 

"Bernie lost without all of his votes, that's a fair election" said only you, and you were wrong. Bye now.

So where are these magical 4 million missing votes? 

And why didn't Clinton use the same tactic in 2008, a much closer election?

Bernie Sanders did not run a campaign as good as Obama in 2008 and he lost. "Feel The Bern" was alright but nothing compared to Obamania in 2008 and fact is there are still a lot of Americans that simply will not vote for an openly Socialist candidate. And even Obama *barely* beat Clinton and that was with a historic campaign and quite frankly Obama is far more charismatic than Sanders even. 

Like I said Hilary is a tough cookie, she has a great ground game and works her ass off, the Clinton's know how to campaign. That's why she terrifies Republicans because they have never been able to handle the Clintons. 



FragilE^ said:
SpokenTruth said:

Consider the implications of either as president to America and the rest of the world.

Did Hillary lie and is she a criminal?  Almost assuredly so.  But how does that damage the US and the rest of the world?  

We either put a criminal in the White House or someone that will damage social and foreign relations for decades.   We aren't voting on who deserves to be elected.  We are voting on the best interests of the people...all people.  And one of them will casue far more damage than the other.

Cleaning up an economic mess is whole lot easier than cleaning up a nuclear mess.

There are many posts that I should reply to, but I really don't need to. "Trump = nuclear war". You have no arguments. If you honestly believe voting Trump means electing a dictator, crushing the entire political force of both sides and the voice of the people, then you're insane.

Have people ALREADY forgotten all the things Obama was denied? President =/= Dictator. Its not that difficult to understand. The president gets shut down all the time. Especially if he wanted to use fucking nukes.

 

Hitler came to power democratically. A classic, i know. But the essence of it people seem to forget so easily: It's not about Trump immediately installing a dictatorship after 24 hours in power with the snap of a finger. It's what he would do when shit goes down. Remember how eager the american people were to got to war when 911 happened? A public mindset can change drastically within a short time and with it the Status Quo. Who is to say that three years from now, with all the things occurring, the USA will be the same as in the past then?

Times can change.

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Zoombael said:

It's not about Trump immediately installing a dictatorship after 24 hours in power with the snap of a finger. It's what he would do when shit goes down.

Because Trump is the devil incarnate, and everyone else are angels. Why wait? Why don't we just go kill him, right now?

Wanna talk about Hitler? What you're doing now, just like basically all of mainstream media and people across the world, is to dehumanize Trump to justify disgusting behaviour. That is exactly how Hitler justifed killing people. That is exactly how slave owners justified owning and trading slaves. Do you not see the error in this?