Now you are comparing the only entrant in the handheld business to 1 of the 3 entrants in a different console market?  The comparison should have been the WiiU.

Sales of the 3ds have been slow the last 2 years.  Handhelds are a thing of the past.  They will always exist(at least for the next 10 years) as a niche product.  People need to accept that the phones and tablets have eliminated a real need for the MAJORITY(opposite of NICHE) of people to buy a handheld.  I have 4 different DSs in my home, so I am obviously not one of them(I also have 5 tablets).  This only makes sense.  

The XB1 is not the whole console market like the 3ds is the whole handheld market.  Game developers don't have to develop just for the XB1, they can develop for all 3 consoles if they wish.

The argument really is about whether the proposed handheld/console mix will sell like a old school Nintendo handheld(75 million +) or a normal Nintendo console (20-25 million).

My theory is that handhelds launched today would be lucky to hit 40 million+ in a good scenario.  Consoles (as proved by the XB1 and WiiU) are lucky to hit 30 million.  So, a hybrid doesn't mean that you combine  the sales, I think you only get a fraction of both buyer groups because both groups normally cross over and there will be some that are put off from the combo from either buying group.  

That's how I arrive at 25 million...

The tendencies are pretty easy : the Wii U sold 85% less than the Wii, the 3DS sold 60% less than the DS so the Nintendo consoles sales shrinked by 70%, and the handheld market shrinked by 70% too. The mix of all these numbers are the tendencies I'm talking about, and they're not good.

Why do tendencies matter more than sales numbers? For an easy example, do you believe more in the future of a 10 millions products market growing by more than 100% every year, or a 100 millions products market losing 50% sales every year? What would be your decision as an industry leader in this situation? Ideally, when a market is shrinking and another one is growing, you slowly retire from the shrinking one, even if it's still bigger right now, and you invest on the growing one (obviously if you think these tendencies will stay this way, and the real situation is a lot more complex than this). That's kind of what Nintendo is doing with their mobile presence (Miitomo, Pokemon Go) on one side and the NX on the other. I let you guess which one is the growing one and which one is the shrinking one...

...No sorry, are you talking with me or what? Cause i only laughted at the part about nintendo console are niche production.

NOT HANDHELDS Console. NINTENDO console.

XBO is not the leader of the market, so what?

We are comparing Nintendo console to Microsoft console.

Bigger Microsoft console of this generation is the XBO, which is still selling less than 3DS after so many years, the bigger Nintendo console of this generation.

That is. Seriusly, there is no way for say 3DS is a niche console, even if sales are not as good as one time. With this logic even the Wii is a niche console, cause the last years was not selling as much as at launch? This is not how this work.

For the prediction, i don't care. You can predict what you want as all others guys here. I only talked about your of saying Nintendo make niche console right now.

If you are comparing random things, that makes the 3ds even more niche.  Apple sold 40+ million game playig cellphones over the last 3 months.  So yes, the 3ds is niche.  It happens to be the king in a niche market!

That's just something you are making up. Smash Bros (core game) sold better than ever before on Wii U and 3DS, Zelda drew huge lines at e3 (core game) and the games you mentioned definitely did move 3DS consoles (unless the games on PSP, PS3, Xbox 360, Xbox One, NES and SNES also failed to move consoles of course). So those games sold the GBA, the DS, the Wii and the 3DS but hey - there is that one system that didn't sell so that's proof they are not system sellers anymore. And yeah, let's ignore those 75m+ Pokémon Go players because "the casuals don't care anymore". Here's a fun thought: If they care for the software they can also care for the hardware. Gaming is always about the software, it was never about making the strongest system. 

I'm personally sceptic of NX being a success from what I've heard so far and I think the Wii U is a very bad product but your posts just don't look all that objective to me. 

Ah, so irrelevant numbers then, unless you really believe the Wii n DS sold purely on traditional Nintendo games and nothing else like the Wii U n 3DS have. Yes the Wii/DS still had Nintendo games, but that wasn't the sole contributor to their sales. The hardware itself was a big reason with successful at the time gimmicks in touch screen and motion controls, as well as non-tradditional games like Nintendogs, Brain Training and the Wii series. That's why 8th gen (and gens prior to 7th) is truely telling of how much hardware Nintendo games can move while 7th gen is not at all.

I see, but as long as they can sell enough dedicated gaming hardware as they have been then there's no need to retire.

So were pretending that Nintendo games werent the main system sellers for 3DS?

Don't worry, I'm not saying they should retire. But Nintendo in a few years could be a lot more focused on the mobile market than console, and the NX could be the first console on this path. So the NX could get even smaller numbers than the current gen and it's already being anticipated.

the main reason it exploded was because its price cut that came 6 months after release, cutting off roughly 33% of its price. im not saying software didnt hardware, it certainly did. 

but 3DS started out when the smartphone was still rising, and wasnt swinging in full force like it is now. the ipad just had one year on the market, andriod tablets were non existent or if they were, they were shitty. 

Well you can't ignore SM3DL and MK7 that coincided with it, but even still, I highly doubt Nintendo is gonna make the same pricing mistake again.

2013 was the 3DS' best sales year and I'm sure mobile was in full swing by then, but I don't care about mobile to follow it so I can't say for 100% certainty.