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Zeroroute on 12 July 2016

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d21lewis on 12 July 2016

Their biggest strength is also their biggest problem. They don't listen to anyone.



4k1x3r on 12 July 2016

Because when I look at their system the only promise I get is that I will be able to play Nintendo games.... That's it... There's nothing around Nintendo that tells me "this console will bring you joy and hapiness for X years" just "Nintendo may or may not support this console, but buy it, cause it has some really cool shit on it".

I love Nintendo games when we play with friends (the poor soul dared to buy a Wii AND a Wii U) but that's it.



Roronaa_chan on 13 July 2016

Their games



oniyide on 13 July 2016
Cloudman said:
oniyide said:

yup. Ninty didnt invent motion controls. SOny was already doing it with eyetoy and PS2 and PS3 DS3 has motion controls in it, day one. No one copied anyone. Except maybe Move but so what? MS Kinect is an updated version of eyetoy not Wiimote. So one will always give there own answer. And that was years ago. What has Ninty done lately? They were always secretive even before that. Sony and MS will talk about any game that they got coming out no matter when its ready. If Zelda was made by anyone else we would have seen at least 3 trailers by now. Now whether thats a good thing or bad thing is opinion but considering Ninty has to launch a whole new console mid gen, im gonna say its a bad thing

Well, I didn't say Ninten invented motion controls. That's just the idea they went with, which turned out to be a big success, so much so that it seemed like Sony and MS were jumping with the current trend get a piece of that success. Plus, I've heard Sony put motion controls into their controller after the attention the Wii was getting, which rendered one of their launch games unplayabe. I don't recall which game it was, or if it's true. Just something I heard. That begs the question though, if the Wii U was successful, what would have happened then? Perhaps Sony and MS would make tablet controllers for their system as well. But that never happened, so we'll never know the answer to that 'what if'.

 

As for Nintendo's secrecy for things like games, I guess they prefer to announce info when games are close to release, that way people don't have to wait too long to play them. We've seen what has happened with Zelda being announced too soon, and that hasn't gone so well. Perhaps they do make good calls holding off announcements until their are close to being ready.

keyword is "seemed" anyone that cared to look into a little knows that not really the case. Sony had motion in there controller day one. How could they copy if it was there at launch the same time as Wii? You heard Sony copied? How? You mean to tell me that Sony put motion tech in their controller after seeing Wii in the same year it launched? That would be impressive on Sony's part. If Wii u was successful nothing. The pad isnt as innovative as motion control. Sony and MS wouldve continued cause there systems wouldve sold regardless.

Examples. Casue the real world would disagree.



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TruckOSaurus on 13 July 2016
oniyide said:
Cloudman said:

Well, I didn't say Ninten invented motion controls. That's just the idea they went with, which turned out to be a big success, so much so that it seemed like Sony and MS were jumping with the current trend get a piece of that success. Plus, I've heard Sony put motion controls into their controller after the attention the Wii was getting, which rendered one of their launch games unplayabe. I don't recall which game it was, or if it's true. Just something I heard. That begs the question though, if the Wii U was successful, what would have happened then? Perhaps Sony and MS would make tablet controllers for their system as well. But that never happened, so we'll never know the answer to that 'what if'.

 

As for Nintendo's secrecy for things like games, I guess they prefer to announce info when games are close to release, that way people don't have to wait too long to play them. We've seen what has happened with Zelda being announced too soon, and that hasn't gone so well. Perhaps they do make good calls holding off announcements until their are close to being ready.

keyword is "seemed" anyone that cared to look into a little knows that not really the case. Sony had motion in there controller day one. How could they copy if it was there at launch the same time as Wii? You heard Sony copied? How? You mean to tell me that Sony put motion tech in their controller after seeing Wii in the same year it launched? That would be impressive on Sony's part. If Wii u was successful nothing. The pad isnt as innovative as motion control. Sony and MS wouldve continued cause there systems wouldve sold regardless.

Examples. Casue the real world would disagree.

With how tacked-on and crappy the sixaxis controls were it wouldn't surprise me!



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Cloudman on 13 July 2016
oniyide said:
Cloudman said:

Well, I didn't say Ninten invented motion controls. That's just the idea they went with, which turned out to be a big success, so much so that it seemed like Sony and MS were jumping with the current trend get a piece of that success. Plus, I've heard Sony put motion controls into their controller after the attention the Wii was getting, which rendered one of their launch games unplayabe. I don't recall which game it was, or if it's true. Just something I heard. That begs the question though, if the Wii U was successful, what would have happened then? Perhaps Sony and MS would make tablet controllers for their system as well. But that never happened, so we'll never know the answer to that 'what if'.

 

As for Nintendo's secrecy for things like games, I guess they prefer to announce info when games are close to release, that way people don't have to wait too long to play them. We've seen what has happened with Zelda being announced too soon, and that hasn't gone so well. Perhaps they do make good calls holding off announcements until their are close to being ready.

keyword is "seemed" anyone that cared to look into a little knows that not really the case. Sony had motion in there controller day one. How could they copy if it was there at launch the same time as Wii? You heard Sony copied? How? You mean to tell me that Sony put motion tech in their controller after seeing Wii in the same year it launched? That would be impressive on Sony's part. If Wii u was successful nothing. The pad isnt as innovative as motion control. Sony and MS wouldve continued cause there systems wouldve sold regardless.

Examples. Casue the real world would disagree.

Well, there is the thought that Sony may have quickly added in the six-axis into the control since it was announced less than 8 months after the Wii's motion control scheme, and one of the games to support the sixaxis control sceme, Warhawk, was said the motion controls were developed 2 weeks before E3. Also, the game that I mentioned which was rendered very unplayable was Lair, which focused on poor motion control, so much so that standard analog controls were patched in later. And in its large library, only about 100 some games use motion control, and that likely includes Playstation move as well.

Whether Sony intended motion controls to be in the control  from the beginning or added later, I find it hard to believe they were interested in it, since Ken Kutaragi was presented the motion control patent before Nintendo, and he turned it down. (Technically he offered to buy it for 50 cents, but of course there's no way someone would take that deal.)

Either way, it doesn't matter. I'm not talking about the six axis controller. I've talking about the Playstation Move (and Kinect) which the Move seems more so similar to the Wiimote. The demonstration for it looks like ideas already used in Wiisports, Wiisports Resort, Red Steel, Umbrella Chronicles,  Silent Hill Shattered Memories, etc. Sony and MS making their motion devices after Ninten showed massive success with theirs likely does look like copying to the average person.



 

              

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Mbolibombo on 13 July 2016
Jpcc86 said:
1.- Third party developers dont make games for Nintendo anymore
2.- Nintendo's own games are no longer as good as third party developers's are.
3.- Nintendo's own games are no longer as good as nintendo's own games used to be.
4.- No main-series Pokemon game for console.
5.- "Motion controls" do more harm than good.

1. Agreed

2. Agree to extent, not fully though.

3. To me, Smash 4, MK8, DKC:TF are the best in their respective franchise and they were all released in the last 2 years. 

4. Agreed.

5. Well, do they even release motion controls anymore except for a  few games? Worked perfectly for Splatoon but other than that... I dont think they are very noticable anymore. They are moving away from it, it seems.



d21lewis on 13 July 2016
oniyide said:
Cloudman said:

Well, I didn't say Ninten invented motion controls. That's just the idea they went with, which turned out to be a big success, so much so that it seemed like Sony and MS were jumping with the current trend get a piece of that success. Plus, I've heard Sony put motion controls into their controller after the attention the Wii was getting, which rendered one of their launch games unplayabe. I don't recall which game it was, or if it's true. Just something I heard. That begs the question though, if the Wii U was successful, what would have happened then? Perhaps Sony and MS would make tablet controllers for their system as well. But that never happened, so we'll never know the answer to that 'what if'.

 

As for Nintendo's secrecy for things like games, I guess they prefer to announce info when games are close to release, that way people don't have to wait too long to play them. We've seen what has happened with Zelda being announced too soon, and that hasn't gone so well. Perhaps they do make good calls holding off announcements until their are close to being ready.

keyword is "seemed" anyone that cared to look into a little knows that not really the case. Sony had motion in there controller day one. How could they copy if it was there at launch the same time as Wii? You heard Sony copied? How? You mean to tell me that Sony put motion tech in their controller after seeing Wii in the same year it launched? That would be impressive on Sony's part. If Wii u was successful nothing. The pad isnt as innovative as motion control. Sony and MS wouldve continued cause there systems wouldve sold regardless.

Examples. Casue the real world would disagree.

When the Wii remote was shown, people were in awe. It was shown long before it debut, though.  That was back when Sony still had that "batarang" looking controller. At a later event, when they actually announced that it would be called "Wii", Sony showed their SIXAXIS controller and, according to G4, Nintendo was in trouble.

 

I'm sure I can find the announcement dates of I try.  Now, I'm pretty sure Sony had to be working on motion controls for a while but the way they unveiled it seemed a little foul.

 

*In fact, now that I think about it, I know they had been working on motion control for a while. Several videos appeared after Sony was accused of copying--I think some went back to the early ps2 days*



oniyide on 13 July 2016
TruckOSaurus said:
oniyide said:

keyword is "seemed" anyone that cared to look into a little knows that not really the case. Sony had motion in there controller day one. How could they copy if it was there at launch the same time as Wii? You heard Sony copied? How? You mean to tell me that Sony put motion tech in their controller after seeing Wii in the same year it launched? That would be impressive on Sony's part. If Wii u was successful nothing. The pad isnt as innovative as motion control. Sony and MS wouldve continued cause there systems wouldve sold regardless.

Examples. Casue the real world would disagree.

With how tacked-on and crappy the sixaxis controls were it wouldn't surprise me!

they worked just as well as original wiimote.