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0815user said:

aside from still relying heavily on mario and zelda, if you buy the studio behind xenosaga 1-3 and them let them develop xenoblade and xenoblade cr, you are clearly showing me that you don't take gaming as a serious form of entertainment for adults.

Is Xenoblade a kids game now? lol



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peterdavid12345 said:
spemanig said:
Many of the games feel cheaply made, regardless of polish.

This ^. Yooko-Laylee is an indie and personally its looks much better than MK8. Mk8 is indeed pretty, but i do found it is overrated by how much people praised for it visual. Fun ? yes, but not for the visual please. Same with Breath of the Wild. I mean just look up the game Journey (an indie game as well). It's last-gen game and it looks just as good.

But since im a Sony fan, it would bad to criticized other and not my own. So im gonna list what issue i have with Sony PlayStation division.

1. Too many investment in the West.

As much as i love the next TLOU or God of War or Horizon Zero Dawn. I believe Sony need to to refocus on their homeland. Japan has so many potential. Not to mention, they own an anime studios and is one of the biggest anime distributor in the world, hire somebody and make us a god damn anime games already! With the tech visual you have, combined with some popular anime like Fullmetal, OP-Man. It would be bombshell. It could be the next big thing! You also do your country a favor by spreading your culture around the world.

2. Following the trend.

Or atleast they used to be, such example would be PS Move or PS All-Star and the most recent, subcription fee. One is a gimmick, the other is a copy-cat and last is just annoying... but i got used to it, after seeing all the free games, im happy with my subcription. As for PSVR, if they make porn, or games that are really interest me, then i will let them pass. For now, i can't see why i should care, Oculus Rift seem more interesting to me.

2.5. Focusing on Story driven/Single-Player.

The reason i mark it 2.5 because i have a mixed feeling about it and it's the opposite of the 2, first im glad that they want to make games more meaningful or make the characters really coming to life, the dialogs in Until Dawn, Heavy Rain, Last of Us and Uncharted 4 make me very impressed just how realistic it really was. The interaction between characters are just as great, and the graphic is just mind-blowing. Another thing that i like about this story driven is that it's really the OPPOSITE of the gaming trend. Games like Until Dawn and Heavy Rain are something truly special! So special that most people don't even called a game, because it's more of a "cinematic experience" rather than a game that will give you 40-50 hours of gameplay. Some say that's weird, but for me, that's special!

That's a good part. Now here for the issue part.

As much as i like it, im still a gamer, and part of gamer convince me, this is not video games. Video games is video games. They're not movies, and at the end of the day, video games focus on gameplay will always get more played than the game on story driven. And the more you play the game, the more you have contents to share or things to investing in it and when you doing all of this, the more you falling in love with it. This is why Multiplayer games like DOTA, CSGO, LOL, Overwatch, Minecraft have literally no story (there are lore tho) yet many people falling in love with it and their fanbase are just massively huge.

Nintendo is also a very good example, while they do make story-driven like zelda, their best selling never zelda, but mario, mario and more mario, oh and smash bros. Pokemon ? it's a semi-nintendo game tbh.

Hey, save that for later :P

 

I'll probably make a thread like this specifically for Sony, Microsoft, and other big companies. 



 

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Their arrogance, they act like they always know what's best for everyone else (the industry, their fans).

Their innovation drive is misdirected, instead of trying gimmicky hardware just for the sake of being unique, they should invest that creativity where it counts, their software. The NX should be a traditional console with Neo-Scorpio capabilities, without a weaker sibling hodling it back, it could have more advanced versions of current multiplats and even exclusive games not possible on PS and XB.



Goodnightmoon said:
0815user said:

aside from still relying heavily on mario and zelda, if you buy the studio behind xenosaga 1-3 and them let them develop xenoblade and xenoblade cr, you are clearly showing me that you don't take gaming as a serious form of entertainment for adults.

Is Xenoblade a kids game now? lol

maybe not a kids game but it clearly went from a deep, complex, storyheavy to simple, straight forward, easy to follow and that what you usually do when you try to target a younger audience.



0815user said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Is Xenoblade a kids game now? lol

maybe not a kids game but it clearly went from a deep, complex, storyheavy to simple, straight forward, easy to follow and that what you usually do when you try to target a younger audience.

Man, you must have played totally different games than me.



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The Underpowered box + gimmick combo they've been doing since 2006. But that's only part of it it. There's still...

- Not keeping up to modern standards (online, proper hard disc, etc)
- A core base that shies away from third party content, making third parties sheepish about putting anything on the consoles
- Taking too long to get big titles out. 3 E3s of Zelda is too much.

I still enjoy Nintendo games regardless. But they're really going to have to go back to the drawing board if I'm going to buy one of their consoles again.



peterdavid12345 said:

This ^. Yooko-Laylee is an indie and personally its looks much better than MK8. Mk8 is indeed pretty, but i do found it is overrated by how much people praised for it visual. Fun ? yes, but not for the visual please. Same with Breath of the Wild. I mean just look up the game Journey (an indie game as well). It's last-gen game and it looks just as good.

 

No, it doesn't. Mario Kart 8 and Smash are the exceptions. Yooka-Laylee doesn't look like it has high productions values at all. It's very clearly on a budget, which is fine, because it isn't a AAA franchice owned by a multibillion-dollar company who should start treating their franchises, from Chibi-Robo to Zelda, more like it.



Goodnightmoon said:
0815user said:

maybe not a kids game but it clearly went from a deep, complex, storyheavy to simple, straight forward, easy to follow and that what you usually do when you try to target a younger audience.

Man, you must have played totally different games than me.

good thing is that nobody has to trust neither my nor your opinion because everything is on youtube to judge for themselves. 



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kitler53 said:

start fox zero.  mario tennis ultra smash.  animal crossing amibo festivel.  devils third. metroid federation force.

but i digress,.. 1 good game a year does not make for a viable console.

and don't bring up Zelda BoW.  delaying it to launch on the NX is not something that endears me to want to buy a nintendo console.  while i get the financials of it as a consumer it is still a BS move to starve the wiiU of any games so they can look like they have a lot of games for 1 year of the NX's lifespan.

While I concur that their software output on Wii U has been wanting and that delaying Zelda was a shitty move, let's be fair, "1 good game a year" is a gross exaggeration. 

 

RJ_Sizzle said:
Taking too long to get big titles out. 3 E3s of Zelda is too much.

I still enjoy Nintendo games regardless. But they're really going to have to go back to the drawing board if I'm going to buy one of their consoles again.

Same here, they have a lot to prove if they're going to convince me to buy an NX.

 

JRPGfan said:
HylianYoshi said:

This. Nintendo is losing their grip on their first party games, which is the one thing they have going for them.

As well, I'd also like to point out that Nintendo doesn't want to give fans what they want. Instead opting to hold their perfectly worthy IP hostage and forcing out games that are in a state that fans don't want. Mario Party, Paper Mario, Star Fox, and Metroid all come to mind.

^ that.

Nintendo loves to seemingly ignore fans, and go "we know best, this is what you want, like it".

Instead of listening to fans.

Case in point:

No F-Zero, No Metroid (federation force? rly?),No Animal Crossing (but a party game), No paper mario (but a sticker star clone), No 3D mario Collectathon, No Zelda (for almost intire lifetime of console's cycle), No console pokemon game.... list goes on and on.

These.

It's like they go out of their way to not make the games fans want. "What's that? Our fans want a HD Metroid? Release a crappy portable spinoff instead. And they want a HD Animal Crossing? Okay then, string some AC assets together into what's essentially a free to play iOS game, but make it require overpriced toys. And what's that, players hated Sticker Star? Cool, make the next one just like it."