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method114 said:
thismeintiel said:

And I think it is disgusting to demonize cops when you have hindsight on your side.  Would you have felt the same if it turned out to be a real gun?  If you say yes, you are being niave.  If you say no, then there's your answer.  The cops thought it was real.  Maybe you should rewatch the WHOLE video of that incident, again.  How he bullies people with the gun.  The way he holds it ready in both hands as he walks towards the cops that are pulling up.  Kids aren't always the innocent darlings we wish to make them out to be.

Yea so what my nephews walk around pointing guns at me too they are kids thats what kids do. No I wouldn't have felt the same if it was a real gun but it wasn't. Either way I expect cops to give kids the benefit of the doubt. I understand it's dangerous but that's your job. Running up and blowing kids heads off because  you don't know if it's a toy or real is not the world we should be trying to create for ourselves. 

Read my edit on my post.  And do the guns your nephews own have the orange tip, or do they always remove it?  Do they hang around the same spot in a park, just so they can harass people?  If the cops rolled up would they take the gun out of their pocket to point at the police?  And give a 12 yr old the benefit of the doubt?  At what age does that benefit end?  Giving that benefit is how cops end up dead.  Kids shouldn't try to play gangsta when REAL cops are involved.

Lol, so you would feel different.  Guess what, the cops didn't know.  There was NO way to know.  You and your hindsight.  The only problem is you don't have hindsight when your in the situation at the time.



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thismeintiel said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Okay you have lost me...first your point was about perpeuating a lie now it is about cop bad criminal made a mistake? I know the whole turth about the situation we are discussing at hand right now. This CHILD was playing alone in a park by himself with a toy gun that looked real. He was walking up to people acting like he was going to shoot them and pretty much just being a child. Guess what kids do that...has nothing to do with pretending to be a thug or even looking up to them at all. Not saying it is good for a child to do that but they do. No one was hurt, no shots were fired the only thing the cops had was that the gun LOOKED real from a distance.

I don't know if the cops felt miserable or not. They sure didn't go out of their way to let it be known that they did. But as a human i would want to think that they did. Even though drawing guns on a lone child because he as what appears to be gun is still beyond me. There have been plenty of instances where cops have told someone to put a gun down and they did not comply without being killed. So no I am not in agreement that they should have fired and no I can't say that I would have fired becuase it doesn't make sense to just unload on a child from a distance at all.

And lastly...you can't be serious so you are really telling me that you feel it would no thave made the news if a white child playing with a toy gun was gunned down by black cops? And you are sure it has happened plenty of times? I literally have no words for that because I am at a loss as to how you could even say that with a straight face.

My first point remains.  The halftruth, which is also a lie.  You go around talking about a kid playing with a gun, without giving the whole picture.  I pretty much forced you to write the whole details.  But, in your normal, everyday life, when you talk about it, do you give the details?  Highly doubt it.  It remains a kid playing with a toy and getting shot.  One that looked real unless you were right next to it.  One that had the tip removed because the kid wanted it to look more real.  He got his wish.

And why would the cops have to come out and say they felt miserable?  Not like BLM would have believed them.  Probably would have made them even angrier.  It has more to do with the kid's actions as to why he was shot, not that he was holding a gun.  If he wasn't standing in the same area with the purpose of threatening to "shoot" people that were walking by.  If he had just dropped the weapon, instead of walking with it in both hands towards the cops.  And sorry, that is not playing.  He was being a bully, backing it up with a gun.  He was not frolicking around or hiding in bushes, just trying to scare people or play cowboys.  He was bullying them.  Waiting around the same spot for more people to come by, so he could pull his gun out on them.  And if that is play to him, or you, there is something wrong.

And yes, I can say that that is the case with a straight face.  Since THIS didn't become a HUGE national story that we are still feeling the affects of.  Reason it wasn't?  Doesn't fit the narrative or help push it.  Now, imagine if that was a 6 yr old black kid and two white cops.  Yea, you know damn well we'd still be reeling from that.

Where is the half truth lol. Because I didn't say it looked like a real gun it makes it a half truth? How explain that to me? Whenever this discussion is brought up ALL the facts are always talked about which is this child was playing in the park by himself with a toy gun that looked real. Going up to random people acting like he shot them. Those are the facts....guess what else is a fact he died because of a trigger happy cop. Not because he was as you said "acting like a thug"  as you put it. I have to ask do you have kids? Because 99% of kids play around like they are shooting stuff and people all the time. The child may not have fully understood the situation with the cops and kept playing in his mind. So that means death? No my friend thatis not acceptable.

Well if you shot a child who you thought had a gun would you not come out and say you felt miserable? Isn't that the human thing to do if that is how you feel? And it is funny how you assume the BLM movement would not have believed them...part of the outrage was because of the lack of remorse from what happened.

Did you read that story? This man allegedly(not sure if that part is true) tried to hit the officers with his car and they opened fire and were even assumed to have a grudge against the man. Those officers were ARRESTED AND CHARGED with murder....did any of that with Tamir Rice or the most recent two shootings? Did the chilld shoot at the officers with the toy gun and justify the killing? Were they arrested and charged with murder? It is funny how you say people only see half truths but pulled up a video that goes against what you were saying because it showed the opposite of what has been happening when blacks are killed by white cops. They get off with a slap on the wrist and get to go home to their families. These officers were charged and arrested. You can't see the difference here? That's the argument that has been being made.



The absence of evidence is NOT the evidence of absence...

PSN: StlUzumaki23

This is what the protest was about.   A man is shot in his car with a seatbelt on and the child is also shot in the head.

This will never be okay.  But since the cops can't be prosecuted some feel they need to take things into their own hands. 

Some will say the little boy deserved to be shot for being a black thug. And the man was clearly a threat behind the seatbelt perhaps... you know bigot mind thought. 

But lets not demonize the cops here.  Those black thugs had it coming amirite?

In all seriousness, the images released by the times this morning make me ill.   



Guns for all right? smh America.



thismeintiel said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

lol, is it even confirmed the shooters are black?

Anyways, that fucking sucks for those victims and their families. Is it really that surprising though? Cops so carelessly shoot so many young black males. It wouldn't be shocking for a few of them to fight back.

Yep, and those young black males were doing nothing wrong or stupid at the time. /s

Oh my bad, I didn't know doing something "stupid" like selling music or walking home warranted being murdered. /s



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TheBlackNaruto said:
thismeintiel said:

My first point remains.  The halftruth, which is also a lie.  You go around talking about a kid playing with a gun, without giving the whole picture.  I pretty much forced you to write the whole details.  But, in your normal, everyday life, when you talk about it, do you give the details?  Highly doubt it.  It remains a kid playing with a toy and getting shot.  One that looked real unless you were right next to it.  One that had the tip removed because the kid wanted it to look more real.  He got his wish.

And why would the cops have to come out and say they felt miserable?  Not like BLM would have believed them.  Probably would have made them even angrier.  It has more to do with the kid's actions as to why he was shot, not that he was holding a gun.  If he wasn't standing in the same area with the purpose of threatening to "shoot" people that were walking by.  If he had just dropped the weapon, instead of walking with it in both hands towards the cops.  And sorry, that is not playing.  He was being a bully, backing it up with a gun.  He was not frolicking around or hiding in bushes, just trying to scare people or play cowboys.  He was bullying them.  Waiting around the same spot for more people to come by, so he could pull his gun out on them.  And if that is play to him, or you, there is something wrong.

And yes, I can say that that is the case with a straight face.  Since THIS didn't become a HUGE national story that we are still feeling the affects of.  Reason it wasn't?  Doesn't fit the narrative or help push it.  Now, imagine if that was a 6 yr old black kid and two white cops.  Yea, you know damn well we'd still be reeling from that.

Where is the half truth lol. Because I didn't say it looked like a real gun it makes it a half truth? How explain that to me? Whenever this discussion is brought up ALL the facts are always talked about which is this child was playing in the park by himself with a toy gun that looked real. Going up to random people acting like he shot them. Those are the facts....guess what else is a fact he died because of a trigger happy cop. Not because he was as you said "acting like a thug"  as you put it. I have to ask do you have kids? Because 99% of kids play around like they are shooting stuff and people all the time. The child may not have fully understood the situation with the cops and kept playing in his mind. So that means death? No my friend thatis not acceptable.

Well if you shot a child who you thought had a gun would you not come out and say you felt miserable? Isn't that the human thing to do if that is how you feel? And it is funny how you assume the BLM movement would not have believed them...part of the outrage was because of the lack of remorse from what happened.

Did you read that story? This man allegedly(not sure if that part is true) tried to hit the officers with his car and they opened fire and were even assumed to have a grudge against the man. Those officers were ARRESTED AND CHARGED with murder....did any of that with Tamir Rice or the most recent two shootings? Did the chilld shoot at the officers with the toy gun and justify the killing? Were they arrested and charged with murder? It is funny how you say people only see half truths but pulled up a video that goes against what you were saying because it showed the opposite of what has been happening when blacks are killed by white cops. They get off with a slap on the wrist and get to go home to their families. These officers were charged and arrested. You can't see the difference here? That's the argument that has been being made.

The half truth is how you approach the story.  You really just want it to be about a black kid playing in the park with a toy gun that was shot by a trigger happy cop.  You actually watch the vid you get the whole picture.  The kid was bullying people, not playing, with an airsoft pistol that looked exactly like a real gun.  And unless you have some sick perversion for the word play or you are just using that word to continue to push your narrative, he was not playing.  He was threatening to shoot them with what they thought was a real gun.  The police are called.  The second the kid sees the cops coming, he starts walking towards them, pulling the gun out of his pocket to point at them.  The cops open fire, fearing it was real.  No trigger happy about it.  If it had been a real gun he could have killed one of them or both.  The fact we know it wasn't real AFTER THE FACT, changes nothing.  The kid acted stupidly and got shot for it.  The cops acted how they would if that kid was yellow, white, brown, or was an adult.  You don't point a gun at a cop and expect him to do nothing, just it MIGHT not be real.  Personal responsibility.

And yes, they were charged, something that happens to a lot white cops, too.  My point was that something like that could happen to a white kid and the nation wouldn't bat an eye.  That proves my point.  The problem your side seems to have is that you only see things through the prism of hindsight and therefore people should go to jail.  The law doesn't work that way and thank God it doesn't.  A grand jury's job is to actually look at evidence and the definition of what the defendant is charged with and determine if there is enough to charge them on.  If not, it's dropped.  If so, it goes to court.  They don't judge him on mob rule.  Or the feels.  Or hindsight.  And the two recent stories just happened.  Have they even reached a decision, yet?



CosmicSex said:

This is what the protest was about.   A man is shot in his car with a seatbelt on and the child is also shot in the head.

This will never be okay.  But since the cops can't be prosecuted some feel they need to take things into their own hands. 

Some will say the little boy deserved to be shot for being a black thug. And the man was clearly a threat behind the seatbelt perhaps... you know bigot mind thought. 

But lets not demonize the cops here.  Those black thugs had it coming amirite?

In all seriousness, the images released by the times this morning make me ill.   

Actually cops are prosecuted, each time there is a shooting their is an investegation by the IA and the DA and they do bring quite a few into court and when they are found guilty they are sent to prison, or if they are found that they weren't totally guilty but used excessive force they are fired, which opens them up to civil lawsuits. The process takes time though, like almost all court cases do. But do to the quanty of over saturation of information and imformation that that has been tampered with. (The are a lot of videos that make the cops/criminal look bad but it has been edited to fit the purposes of the poster to drum up support for their views.



What's sad is that I see people saying stuff like killing innocent cops isn't going to solve the original issue that we have of the many incidents of cops killing many unarmed black men! But isn't this what we are doing exactly in the middle east? We're killing innocent Muslims because of Islamic extremists actions. It's very easy for many Americans to point the blame and cause of issues from the comfort of their living rooms. But this country as a whole is very screwed up and needs to acknowledge where it came from to get to where it needs to be. Many in this country still don't like to acknowledge that slavery existed here, as if that was just a myth or something that happened a thousand years ago...



CosmicSex said:
thismeintiel said:

Lmao.  Thanks for proving the point of my previous post.  Perpetuating the lie.  Or half truth.  However you want to put it.  Say something like he was just shot while playing black.  Of course, you would leave out that it was a realistic gun that the kid had puposely taken the orange tip off, so at any distant you wouldn't have been able to tell it was a toy.  And that he was taking it out and brandishing it like a thug, threatening to "shoot"  passersby.  The cops were called because people thought it was a real gun.  They pulled up and demanded he put it down, but instead he decided to not listen, so they shot him.  It's tragic, but act like a thug and you'll die like one.

As for the recent one, I don't have all the info on that one.  So, you know, I'm not going to do a rash thing and choose "sides" quite yet.  Better to wait until we get the cruiser video.  If it was the 100% fault of cop, he should be fired and face charges, as he will.  People are allowing their agenda to blind common sense.  It could be the Michael Brown thing all over again.  Of course, it doesn't help that we have one of the key race agitators as President.

One who knows nothing can understand nothing.   When a black perosn ignores the cops you call them a thug.  When a white person smashs his car into cops toting a gun, and they don't take one shot, he gets to live because he shouldn't die like a thug?  The fuck?  The cops insintance is more valuable than a black life... he must obey the cop after all as that is his place and I get what your point is... his refusal to obey the cop means he must die... how dare he not obey.  Or maybe its all Obama faught for being a black president and he needs to lets us kill all the 'thugs'.   People need to stop trying to convince themselves that they aren't racist. The second you make a statement about why 'blacks' need to die like 'thugs', you are already to far gone to be useful to anyone but the bigots you originate from and you have   If you can't understand that all life is equal regardless of race you are lost.  The conversation needs to be about saving all lives and for police to be vigilate without resorting to killing. 

And didn't take you long to pull out the racist card.  You just lost the argument.  You also used hyperbole, while misrepresenting what I actually said.  Not doing too good on this debate thing, huh?  Acting like a thug can apply to any race.  Though, I'm sure you guys have made it yet another trigger word.

Let me clue you in on some common sense.  Cops are there for our protection.  Sometimes they have to enforce laws that they don't agree with, but that's their job.  Doubt all of them agree with the war on drugs, either.  But, through it all there's a constant.  You point a gun at a cop, you're going to get shot.  Cops lives mean just the same as the criminals as they are taking in.  Even more so if they are good cops and the criminals are real pieces of shit.  And it doesn't matter if we find out AFTER THE FACT that the gun was fake, cause the cops had NO way to tell that at the time.  That's how the law works.

And if you don't want to have to listen to cops, then maybe we should shrink this government down some, huh?  You know, the government that gives them jurisdiction over us and has been militarizing them.  I do find it funny that the people screaming for big government seem to be against the cops.  Quite the contradiction.



LudicrousSpeed said:
thismeintiel said:

Yep, and those young black males were doing nothing wrong or stupid at the time. /s

Oh my bad, I didn't know doing something "stupid" like selling music or walking home warranted being murdered. /s

Yep, and that's all that happened.  A cop showed up, said nothing, and shot.  Then, drove away and no one, especially not the nation at large, batted an eye.  Don't think I need to type /s for you to get it.