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FIT_Gamer said:
Could potentially be amazing, but millions of weak minded people need that crutch. Otherwise they'd all be committing suicide.

You've got it backwards my friend. Switch lives with an Amish man and see how much of a cruch they rely on. Living an atheist life is the easiest life one can live. No cares, no worries, no guilt... do whatever the fuck feels good, be a slob, be lazy, be a jerk, be an asshole... it's all just so easy.

If you ask me, athesism is a cop out. It's the true "crutch". It's for those who can't hack discipline.



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Eagle367 said:
lionpetercarmoo said:

100% agree with you.

A completely biased and stupid argument 0% agree

I don't think so. If you're going to say something is stupid and biased give facts to your opinion. 😑



Ka-pi96 said:
pokoko said:
It's hard to say, really. I mean, the positives are obvious, like no more people blowing themselves and others up thinking they're going to a better place.

The negatives, though, are more subtle. Look at all the people who seem to need something to believe in before they can clean their life up, or something to "save" them. Would these people survive on their own? I imagine some of them would become followers of someone. Maybe Tony Robbins would have thousands more flocking to his seminars to walk on hot coals. I don't think the zealots and fanatics would suddenly become normal and well adjusted.

Sounds like a good science fiction novel. Someone proves that no god exists and the world goes crazy.

Assuming this is a world where religion had never existed in the first place and thus people wouldn't have been raised with religion used as a crutch, would people like that even exist?

Would religious people (who give far more to charities and social causes than non-religious) still give and volunteer without the religious views? The hypotheticals upon hypotheticals.



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AlfredoTurkey said:
FIT_Gamer said:
Could potentially be amazing, but millions of weak minded people need that crutch. Otherwise they'd all be committing suicide.

You've got it backwards my friend. Switch lives with an Amish man and see how much of a cruch they rely on. Living an atheist life is the easiest life one can live. No cares, no worries, no guilt... do whatever the fuck feels good, be a slob, be lazy, be a jerk, be an asshole... it's all just so easy.

If you ask me, athesism is a cop out. It's the true "crutch". It's for those who can't hack discipline.

So you're saying everyone who isn't Amish is a lazy, guiltless,  jerk of an asshole? Ok gotcha. 



Dulfite said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

Then your god is created because it couldn't come out of nothing.

I figured someone would throw this out there. I don't agree with that (as I believe God always existed), but regardless it doesn't negate my point. Even with the confusion and incomprehensibleness of an eternal God, it still makes the creation of everything more of a sensible thing than it would have been had it come from nothing.

Physics doesn't describe out existence coming from nothing though.

Ka-pi96 said:

Not just churches, cemetaries too! No land wasted on dead people who could just be turned to ash.

Cemetaries aren't strictly religious though, it gives people a place to morn their love ones.

archer9234 said:

Not really. Just like weddings. These things would evolve without churchs. They just be traditions. I'd say Cemetaries would stay. Just less crosses. I do agree, it be less. People would probably have their dead, on their property more often.

Not all marriages are religious anyway. You need to "opt-in" for that.

Dr.Vita said:


Furthermore there would be no values and standards in a world without religion. You could do everything you want in a world without religion because you have nothing to regret (for instance killing or stealing).


And let's be honest, if you need religion to teach you right from wrong, I.E. That murder is wrong, then you have bigger problems.
Not only that but religion never taught me moral values, it's common sense... Not only that but morals change with each successive generation, once you would be condemned to death for being Homosexual in most western nations.

o_O.Q said:

but... atheism itself has many of the negative trappings of religion... which is ironic in itself lol

now a world without ideology... that would be something

...but its not in man's nature... most people need something to believe in that strokes their ego

whether that be being god's chosen people... or thinking you are more intelligent because you don't think a god exists


Athiesm typically places science and logical-based thinking above religion.
In other words they have quantifiable, observable proof to backup most of their claims.

You can also be Athiest and also be supportive of other peoples religious beliefs, they aren't strictly at odds with each other.

outlawauron said:

Would religious people (who give far more to charities and social causes than non-religious) still give and volunteer without the religious views? The hypotheticals upon hypotheticals.

I don't support religious charities due to their historical anti-homosexuality stances anyway. (I.E. Salvation Army leader said all homosexuals should be put to death once here.)
I do support other non-religious efforts though.




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Slimebeast said:
KungKras said:

I live in the same country that Slimebeast does, and he's being wrong and paranoid. "Cultural marxism" is one of the most meaningless terms I've ever heard. Ask people what it means and all you will get is vague conspiracy theories.

There is no conspracy to bully kids or fire people. There was probably a guy somewhere in Sweden who said racist things at work, his boss find out, fired him, and then he went to cry about it on some far-right propaganda site. As would happen in the US and most European countries.

I think you haven't studied cultural marxism and don't know its history, that's why you dismiss it like that.

It's absolutely huge in our Western societies, especially in Sweden. It affects people on so many levels. Affects on a larger scale than economical Marxism ever did. It's a battle of people's minds.

There's not a huge conspiracy behind it. In many ways it's actually the opposite. It's a stated and sometimes an unstated goal of the modern left for society and humanity but largely it works without people being aware, without even its supporters being aware of what's going on.

There's not a huge conspiracy behind it, although there are conspiratorical elements in how it's promoted, one example being that many leftist agitators are strategically aware that the spread of cultural marxism benefits largely from people not being aware. And if you break it down, you could find more conspiratorical elements, for example, our mainstream media on purpose has a policy where newspapers/TV avoids to display when a criminal is a foreigner, they leave out name, background and picture, but they actively do what they can (in the limits of our laws that sort of protects people's integrity) to reveal everything when it's a white person, name and picture is published. This is proven fact.

Okay, if cultural marxism is so prevalent in our society, I suppose you'll have no problems defining it.

The stuff you talked about with Soundwave and your exaple are exactly what I was talking about, vague conspiracy theories about the battle of our minds.

I want you to answer the question "What IS cultural marxism" I want a rock-solid definition.



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FIT_Gamer said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

You've got it backwards my friend. Switch lives with an Amish man and see how much of a cruch they rely on. Living an atheist life is the easiest life one can live. No cares, no worries, no guilt... do whatever the fuck feels good, be a slob, be lazy, be a jerk, be an asshole... it's all just so easy.

If you ask me, athesism is a cop out. It's the true "crutch". It's for those who can't hack discipline.

So you're saying everyone who isn't Amish is a lazy, guiltless,  jerk of an asshole? Ok gotcha. 

Yet you are calling millions and millions of people weak minded with a crutch because they have different beliefs than yours. That's pretty accurate, no?



Mr_No said:
FIT_Gamer said:

So you're saying everyone who isn't Amish is a lazy, guiltless,  jerk of an asshole? Ok gotcha. 

Yet you are calling millions and millions of people weak minded with a crutch because they have different beliefs than yours. That's pretty accurate, no?

Not becuase their beleifs are different, because their beliefs are illogical. People look to God hold them up, give them strenght, crutch.