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shikamaru317 said:
It's not really possible to offer Skyrim SE for free for console physical buyers, and it might not even be possible for digital buyers due to the generational difference. Also, PC gamers get less of an upgrade since they can just mod the graphics. Also, it's been I development for a year so they have to make back that money somehow.

How is it not possible with digital purchases? MS is able to unlock BC 360 games on your Xbox One if you purchased them previously in the store. Journey for PS4 can be downloaded for free if you puchased it on ps3 digitally, and Siren Bloodcurse is rumored to be offered the same way from Sony. 



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Maybe is that the remaster on PC was way easier and unexpensive because you know is the same platform already. Porting and remaster a game from Xbox 360 and PS3 to the new consoles cost money, on the other hand 60€ for a remaster is too much, the half would be fine.



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Cloudman said:
I guess it would be kind of hard for Bethesda to give the remaster to owners of the older version for free. How would they even keep track of that? Would that be for digital only, or physical copies as well? How would that even work?

How much have remasters been anyways?

Digital its 100% possible

KLAMarine said:
Ruler said:

I am not into Skyrim but why is it excatable that PS4 and Xbox One owners have to pay full 60€/$ for a Remaster? While PC gamers dont have to buy anything, if they have bought the Game of the Year Edition of Skyrim or all the DLC in the vanilla version they will get Skyrim Special Edition for free.

Why cant Bethesda treat console gamers the same way at least the PS360 DIgital owners of the same stuff like PC gamers?

I don't know if you've noticed this or not but the XBox 1 and especially the PS4 aren't exactly backwards compatible like the PC platform is.

Ruler said:

And 60 bucks for a remaster? i think this is a complete ripp off.

Then I suggest you wait for the price to come down.

The accounts are backwards compatible

Pemalite said:
Ruler said:

I am not into Skyrim but why is it excatable that PS4 and Xbox One owners have to pay full 60€/$ for a Remaster? While PC gamers dont have to buy anything, if they have bought the Game of the Year Edition of Skyrim or all the DLC in the vanilla version they will get Skyrim Special Edition for free.

Why cant Bethesda treat console gamers the same way at least the PS360 DIgital owners of the same stuff like PC gamers?

And 60 bucks for a remaster? i think this is a complete ripp off. Its cheaper to import the physical version of Resident Evil 5 Remaster (35€) here from the USA than buying this remaster locally. And 20$ if you live in the US, thats 3 copies of Resident Evil 5 Remastered you can buy for the price Bethesda is charging for. Like WTF Bethesda?

And i dont see any one brining this up in the media?

 

This is nothing new.
Remember when you had to pay for DLC with Left 4 Dead when PC gamers got it for free? Good times.

And the reason why Console gamers don't get treated like PC gamers is simple. They aren't PC gamers, crazy isn't it?
Consoles have a myriad of licensing agreements due to being a closed, fixed environment, developers even have to pay Microsoft/Sony just to release a patch for their games, on the PC it has total freedom for a developer and none of those costs.
Plus Consoles still push last-century optical discs, which requires stamping, packaging, shipping and handling and then end up in a retail store, that's additional costs that will need to be recouped, PC is essentially all digital, there is none of that investment/expenditure required.

And as for the justification for the cost... Bethesda are overhauling the game visually, textures have been enhanced, lighting has been overhauled, shaders have been improved, you name it, they have to pay people to make this stuff.
On PC, Bethesda would only be competing with itself, it is a hard sell for Bethesda to sell something to PC gamers when PC gamers already had it for free for half a decade... At-least with this approach they can sell the DLC and make some money back.

Besides, you will get all the games DLC and up to date bug fixes too, so there is that.

Metallox said:
You are class second citizens, sorry :P

I admit. I laughed. Haha

Dyllyo said:
Lol. The response to this is hilarious.

This is why I don't care for PC gaming at all anymore. The community is toxic and elitist.

Console gaming is where it's at anyway and always has been.

You should probably look in your own backyard before you criticise someone elses.

Dyllyo said:

 

See? This is why people hate the "masterrace". Console games have firmware updates just as often. Why fuck half your consumers? Witcher 3 had numerous firmware updates, ON CONSOLES, that fixed framerate and graphical issues. Why can't Bethesda do that? Because they think it's okay to fuck over console gamers, because they think less of them. 

I haven't seen you get so "enthusiastic" when the PC gets a dodgy console port? Or is that enthusiasm only 1 way?

Ljink96 said:

PC Gaming is expected to surpass Console gaming in revenue next year :O But I will glady die a second class citizen.

Pretty sure it already has actually. There are estimates of 180~ million users on Steam, which is more than all the next-gen home consoles combined.

Mr Puggsly said:

Do you think you uncovered some sort of revelation?

Nobody is being forced to buy the Skyrim remaster and its price will eventually go down. For those who haven't played it at all and own a 8th gen console, its arguably worth $60.

It also includes all the DLC an overhauled game visually, mod support, fully updated and patched... And there will likely be people who spend 1000+ hours just collecting all the games cabbages, so for them it will be worth every penny.

So why is the Console Digital Version 60$? 



Mr Puggsly said:
Ruler said:

I am not into Skyrim but why is it excatable that PS4 and Xbox One owners have to pay full 60€/$ for a Remaster? While PC gamers dont have to buy anything, if they have bought the Game of the Year Edition of Skyrim or all the DLC in the vanilla version they will get Skyrim Special Edition for free.

Why cant Bethesda treat console gamers the same way at least the PS360 DIgital owners of the same stuff like PC gamers?

And 60 bucks for a remaster? i think this is a complete ripp off. Its cheaper to import the physical version of Resident Evil 5 Remaster (35€) here from the USA than buying this remaster locally. And 20$ if you live in the US, thats 3 copies of Resident Evil 5 Remastered you can buy for the price Bethesda is charging for. Like WTF Bethesda?

And i dont see any one brining this up in the media?

Do you think you uncovered some sort of revelation?

Nobody is being forced to buy the Skyrim remaster and its price will eventually go down. For those who haven't played it at all and own a 8th gen console, its arguably worth $60.

Everything goes down, its about the principal here.

crissindahouse said:

Maybe you should complain about console gamers who will buy it instead of a company which is there to make money? Console gamers are those who bought The Last of Us like 5 million times on PS4 even though it was already on PS3. Console gamers are those who will buy Skyrim some million times on XBO and PS4 and you complain about Bethesda who will probably make over hundred million in revenue with this?

You know why Sony is releasing so many PS3 games on PS4 again? Because console gamers buy all these games again (well some also for the first time)

You know why Bethesda doesn't sell it on PC to those who already own all this stuff? Because it doesn't make sense to sell it on PC to them because only very few PC gamers who already own it would pay for a version which would look worse as the version they already own with some mods.

It's not Bethesda's fault that console gamers bought a PS4 and XBO even though they can't play all the games they bought on PS360 on the new machines so that you can sell them a new version again. 

The Last of Us Remastered was almost a brand new game, it only came 1 year later and it wasnt full price either. Most people who bought it never played it before. How do you know we will buy this Skyrim remaster, the game isnt out yet? 

All remasters Sony released were never priced at 60$, and they usually have more than 1 game in the collection. They are also all exclusives, making these remasters even more valuable to pay Sony again. There are no PC versions 

LipeJJ said:
Well, sadly this is nothing new From Software/Bandai Namco did exactly this with Dark Souls II: Scholar of the Frist Sin. We needed to pay full price to get it on PS4/XB1 while PC owners got a free update with same enhancements AND additions/extras.

Yeah but Dark Souls 2 was only 50 bucks and it was only 1 year apart from the last gen release. Skyrim is 60 bucks for a 5 years old game. Also i defeniatley remember that the pc version wasnt for free, maybe its now but not at launch



Ruler said:

The Last of Us Remastered was almost a brand new game, it only came 1 year later and it wasnt full price either. Most people who bought it never played it before. How do you know we will buy this Skyrim remaster, the game isnt out yet? 

All remasters Sony released were never priced at 60$, and they usually have more than 1 game in the collection. They are also all exclusives, making these remasters even more valuable to pay Sony again. There are no PC versions 

Congratiulations, Sony, who get 100% of the sales and don't have to give a big part of the revenue someone else (like Bethesda has to give Sony and MS) does sell the remasters for not $60 but a little bit less. What a nice company they are! 

And who cares if many who will buy remasters of Sony games  on PS4 are compeltely new customers? That doesn't change that someone who was already customer on PS3 still has to buy it and doesn't get it for free on PS4. Some Skyrim customers on PS4 and XBO will be also completely new customers. Everyone who already had it on PS3 and Xbox 360 doesn't have to buy it again. Same like The Last of US customers from the PS3 version don't have to buy it on PS4 again. If they still do it then it's their problem. 

And when I look at the PS4 "gamercards" in the profiles of VGC users, I see that many of them bought The Last of US twice (or GTA and many other remasters and that goes for PS4 and XBO users) and that even with a release so close to each other. Yes, I think Skyrim will sell decent on PS4 and XBO. Not as good as on the old consoles but still good and enough to justify that for Betheda.

Sure, they could sell it for half the price but that price would be reached fast if it won't sell good for $60. If it will sell good for $60 then why is that Bethesda's fault? They are in to make money and if console customers pay that then it's not a crime to take it from them. If they wonÄt buyit Bethesda can still reduce the price and look if people will buy it then. 



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crissindahouse said:
Ruler said:

The Last of Us Remastered was almost a brand new game, it only came 1 year later and it wasnt full price either. Most people who bought it never played it before. How do you know we will buy this Skyrim remaster, the game isnt out yet? 

All remasters Sony released were never priced at 60$, and they usually have more than 1 game in the collection. They are also all exclusives, making these remasters even more valuable to pay Sony again. There are no PC versions 

Congratiulations, Sony, who get 100% of the sales and don't have to give a big part of the revenue someone else (like Bethesda has to give Sony and MS) does sell the remasters for not $60 but a little bit less. What a nice company they are! 

And who cares if many who will buy remasters of Sony games  on PS4 are compeltely new customers? That doesn't change that someone who was already customer still has to buy it. Some Skyrim customers on PS4 and XBO will be also completely new customers. Everyone who already had t on PS3 and Xbox 360 doesn't have to buy it again. Same like The Last of US customers from the PS3 version don't have to buy it on PS4 again.

But when I look at the PS4 "gamercards" in the profiles of VGC users, I see that many of them bought The Last of US twice (or GTA and that goes for PS4 and XBO users) and that even with a release so close to each other. Yes, I think Skyrim will sell decent on PS4 and XBO. Not as good as on the old consoles but still good.

No remaster so far was 60$ except Tomb Raider which was still a brand new game but Skyrim is 5 years old.

Look at Capcom offering Resident Evil 6 and soon 5 for 20$, or Resi 1&0 for 40$. It isnt the industry standard what Bethesda is doing.

Bethesda should be ashamed of themselfs, this is even worse than Call of Duty Mordern Warfare Remastered which cost 20$ more but you get a brand new game along the remaster.

 

Console gamers can burrow games too? 



Ruler said:
crissindahouse said:

Congratiulations, Sony, who get 100% of the sales and don't have to give a big part of the revenue someone else (like Bethesda has to give Sony and MS) does sell the remasters for not $60 but a little bit less. What a nice company they are! 

And who cares if many who will buy remasters of Sony games  on PS4 are compeltely new customers? That doesn't change that someone who was already customer still has to buy it. Some Skyrim customers on PS4 and XBO will be also completely new customers. Everyone who already had t on PS3 and Xbox 360 doesn't have to buy it again. Same like The Last of US customers from the PS3 version don't have to buy it on PS4 again.

But when I look at the PS4 "gamercards" in the profiles of VGC users, I see that many of them bought The Last of US twice (or GTA and that goes for PS4 and XBO users) and that even with a release so close to each other. Yes, I think Skyrim will sell decent on PS4 and XBO. Not as good as on the old consoles but still good.

No remaster so far was 60$ except Tomb Raider which was still a brand new game but Skyrim is 5 years old.

Look at Capcom offering Resident Evil 6 and soon 5 for 20$, or Resi 1&0 for 40$. It isnt the industry standard what Bethesda is doing.

Bethesda should be ashamed of themselfs, this is even worse than Call of Duty Mordern Warfare Remastered which cost 20$ more but you get a brand new game along the remaster.

 

Console gamers can burrow games too? 

The Resident Evil games are so cheap because nobody would buy them otherwise. Don't compare something where the dev is "hopefully we sell some units  with such a low price" with a company confident in their product. 

And Modern Warfare is mainly made to increase sales of the new game to please investors with "first week sales are so awesome" PR.

If Capcom would believe to sell a good amount at $60 then it would be probably $60. And even if not, why does this bother you so much? Just don't buy it and be happy. If console owners will  buy it for the high price Bethesda has done everything right since making money is why they are doing it obviously. If console gamers won't buy it then the price will decrease very fast.

So once again, complain about console gamers if they will buy it for this price and not about the company asking for it because they think people will pay it. That has nothing to do with threating someone as second class citizen. 



Did you just realized that people who own the complete game on PC get the special edition version for free? Lmao!

 

At least the console versions of the games dont go up in price after they are down.


Bethesda had priced Dishonored GOTY to $19.99 regular price prior to steam summer sale.

Now they made the regular price up to $29.99 so the sales price doesnt heavily impact the overall price like it would if it was $19.99.

They did the same thing with Skyrim on PC few years ago too.

 

This is Bethesda being Betheseda - like people have mentioned - if you dont like the price - just wait for it to go down.



    

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Because porting a game costs serious amount of money?
PC is just the same version with a patch.

Price will go down soon enough. If you don't want to spend $60, you don't have to. The market dictates the price, not the publisher.



Damn, 60 quid? I was going to get this but not if its over 40 quid. I've already bought on PS3 and had to rebuy on steam cause it wouldn't play right. Damn you Bethesda.



 

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