I understand having problems understanding resolution and framerate. But please don´t tell me that defending a brand made you forget basic math too.

Even if Microsoft releases 14 Gears of War, 14 Forza Horizon and 14 Halo games, during the next years. They will still not reach the amount of exclusives released during the first 5 months of 2016 on PlayStation.


Math is simple guys: 5 months of PlayStation exclusives equal more than 10 years of XBox exclusives.

Its too late into this generation cycle to say that 14 games distributed into the next 5 years is something to be proud of.

I can already hear people defending a certain brand by saying that quality is more important than quantity. Before you even say that, please tell me the last time that this brand won Game of the Year, or even better, when was the last time that this brand produced a game scored above 90 on Metacritic?

Math is easy, don´t try to twist it.

Gran Turismo is a franchise that launched 20 years ago, and they don't release or announce a new game every year, Since the launch of the Xbox One, from 2013 to 2016 the console had Forza 5, Forza Horizon 2, Forza 6, and now Forza Horizon 3, meanwhile not even a single Gran Turismo game.

And a Indie game is a game made by independent developers, Kojima's game is a Indie game, Recore is a Indie game, No Man's Sky is a indie game.

The last God of War or Zelda game launched much time ago so those games aren't yearly franchises like Forza.

Sounds like a failure on PD's part that we haven't seen a GT yet. Either way, it doesn't discredit or change a thing I said.

You sound equally confused as to what an indie game is as the guy who made the thread. No Man'y Sky is a full price retail title with backing from Sony. Labeling it an indie game is misleading. Same with whatever Kojima is making.

I never said the games cease to be, or that they should be removed.

I'm making a very clear distinction about what is and what matters. 

Let's be real: no one making a list like the one that started this debate is doing so to provide edification for the reader. They're doing it as part of an anatomical measuring contest, to use an artful euphemism. But the list is useless on its own. It's simply a collection of numbers and letters. Unless those games are good or great, who cares?

The same goes for Metacritic, a poor measurement of quality. Yes, it shows the critical consensus. Again, a collection of numbers and letters that mean nothing if we disagree with them.

What matters and what doesn't is up to the reader, not the author (curator in this case).

I would agrue that it matters less if it's just the games he has played and enjoys. Because as it stands, that list is cumalitive. If you asked enough people what their favorite PS4 exclusives were, you'd get every game on that list eventually. Every game matters to somebody and it's silly to claim that games don't matter because the person who made this particular list doesn't personally have experience, or enjoy a certian game.

The reason it's important to include a baseline meassure of quality, is because if you don't it's the first thing that will be brought up. By including a metric you avoid that. Now, people will certainly argue the merits of that particular metric. But that's a different topic than the one at hand.

There's nothing wrong with people having conversations about their favorite games and how the compare to other peoples favorite games. But that's a totally seperate conversation.

People keep talking about that interview and 14 games and trying to list the games but they ignore that she said most of the games haven't even been announced yet. Also it's hard to take a discussion seriously when it starts off saying Horizon 3 is a yearly franchise and means nothing, and reduces an incredible game like State of Decay to "a $20-30 indie game" lol.

MS has plenty of games coming soon and apparently at least 8 that aren't even announced. I highly doubt they are making this games on Windows push and new Xbox hardware push but decided not to include games.

Did MS run out of money? That theory just seems highly unlikely especially with new hardware coming and the Windows 10 gaming push.

Again, I think they have so much to release in a relatively short period that announcments are probably being held off. MS has a history of announcing some games not long until release as well. I mean Forza Horizon 3 just became offical.